2020 Presidential election

[fishonjazz]

Iran? Was it bombing Iran? Because his backtracking absolutely was the right move.

That might have been it.
Regardless I find it idiotic that some people see willingness to change your mind as a negative characteristic.

I want my president to have the ability to think one way, investigate their own stance and possibly find new information, and then realize they are wrong and think a totally different, more appropriate way. Apparently this is a negative characteristic though.
Apparently voters praise stubbornness and unwillingness to change or compromise.

Just another sad indicator of how crappy our society has become.

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[Deleted member 365]

Why does how much money he has matter? To me that is actually a detriment. I would love to see someone who isn't filthy rich lead our country. Kinda sick of out of touch 1%ers making decisions that effect people that they no nothing about and have nothing in common with.

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TRUMP AINT OUT OF TOUCH! HES GONNA BRING BACK BIG COAL AND ALL THEM CLOSED FACTORIES. HES THE ONLY PRES WHO THINKS ABOUT THE WORKIN FORGOTTEN MAN. HE AINT AN ELITIST HE EATS FAST FOOD AND TALKS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US! WARREN WANTS TO TURN US INTO VENEZUELA WITH SHARIA LAW AND COMMUNISM AND HEALTH CARE.

I’m a white non-Educated male 45+ years old from the Midwest who’s angry and watches Fox News 10 hrs a day. btw I listen to rush/Hannity at least 45 mins per day and this is essentially every caller on both of their shows.

 

[fishonjazz]

Money is free speech (according to scotus)

I don’t disagree with you. I’m with you on liking to see a non uber rich person win.

But money allows you to buy up ads, hire campaign staff, conduct research, etc. usually, the candidate with the most $, wins.

We could greatly rectify this through publicly financed campaigns. I think sanders once promoted that idea.

I think that Asian dude (sorry I can't remember his name right now) that Archie likes proposed something where each American gets 100 democracy dollars to finance a candidate or something like that. I think that's a good idea.

Of course since it's also an out of the box idea and not simply the status quo, no one would like that idea.

People say that want change and that want anti establishment candidates. But they are lying. The moment someone has a new idea they get labeled extremist.

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[fishonjazz]

TRUMP AINT OUT OF TOUCH! HES GONNA BRING BACK BIG COAL AND ALL THEM CLOSED FACTORIES. HES THE ONLY PRES WHO THINKS ABOUT THE WORKIN FORGOTTEN MAN. HE AINT AN ELITIST HE EATS FAST FOOD AND TALKS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US! WARREN WANTS TO TURN US INTO VENEZUELA WITH SHARIA LAW AND COMMUNISM AND HEALTH CARE.

I’m a white non-Educated male 45+ years old from the Midwest who’s angry and watches Fox News 10 hrs a day. btw I listen to rush/Hannity at least 45 mins per day and this is essentially every caller on both of their shows.

And he gon drain teh swamp! He is one of us!

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[Deleted member 365]

And he gon drain teh swamp! He is one of us!

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Dammit. Knew I was forgetting something. “Drain the swamp!”

You need to throw in draining the swamp, your drive by attack on AOC and your occasional attack on HRC/mueller/social issue (usually BLM and abortion)and you literally peg every caller into Limbaugh and Hannity.

Not.
Joking.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I think that Asian dude (sorry I can't remember his name right now) that Archie likes proposed something where each American gets 100 democracy dollars to finance a candidate or something like that. I think that's a good idea.

Of course since it's also an out of the box idea and not simply the status quo, no one would like that idea.

People say that want change and that want anti establishment candidates. But they are lying. The moment someone has a new idea they get labeled extremist.

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You’re right.

Why are people so resistant to even the thought of change? Especially when it’s change that could benefit them? Even when it’s not a benefit to them directly, it’s a benefit to people around them.

Making college more affordable wouldn’t help me anymore. But I definitely see merits in it. Yet somehow that’s “socialism?”

Helping rural areas and poor people gain access to health care doesn’t benefit me. I live in the burbs. But I definitely see positives to it.

I don’t get it. Different values maybe?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Biden could win if he never talked again.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Unfortunately, we all know he’s gonna talk. And when he does... yikes... fortunately, Biden is going up against the lebron James of gaffes. trump is angry drunk racist Biden on roids.

 

[fishonjazz]

You’re right.

Why are people so resistant to even the thought of change? Especially when it’s change that could benefit them? Even when it’s not a benefit to them directly, it’s a benefit to people around them.

Making college more affordable wouldn’t help me anymore. But I definitely see merits in it. Yet somehow that’s “socialism?”

Helping rural areas and poor people gain access to health care doesn’t benefit me. I live in the burbs. But I definitely see positives to it.

I don’t get it. Different values maybe?

Compassion, creativity, kindness, honor, class, open mindedness, just continue to become more and more endangered by more and more of the population. Just blindly following whatever party no matter what is on the rise. And unfortunately, as the election and very real possibility of re-election of Donald Trump is showing us, the opposite of compassion and kindness and class and honor is what the people apparently want.


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[fishonjazz]

Truer words have never been spoken.

Unfortunately, we all know he’s gonna talk. And when he does... yikes... fortunately, Biden is going up against the lebron James of gaffes. trump is angry drunk racist Biden on roids.

Unfortunately, angry, drunken and racist is probably popular among a huge chunk of voters. And then there are the ones that don't really care about about the candidates and just check the D or R box no matter what. (I almost think these people are worse than the ones who love hateful, angry, racist candidates. Almost)

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[fishonjazz]

Sadly, pointing this out only makes people double down even more.

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[Jonah]

Donald is going to have a lot more money than the Democratic candidate. Corporations, Wall Street, the Kochs love the guy. He’s gotten rid of regulations and has given them big time handouts. he’s going to have the full backing of Fox News. And will probably get a lot more ink than the democratic candidate on cnn and The NY Times. and he is KILLING it with republicans/non-college educated whites.

As much as I’d like to see him get wiped out in a blue tidal wave, I just don’t think it’s possible anymore.

Too many dumb and bitter voters in the south and Midwest who equate treating immigrants like humans, gun regulation, and universal health care as communist attacks on their freedumb.

This will be another close election. The Democrat may easily win the popular vote but the Electoral College will be too close to call. Every vote in the swing states will be massively important. I’m not a Democrat but I will volunteer, donate and vote for whomever they nominate. My guess for now is the Never Trumpers, the independents and the moderates who despise Trump, who may even want him impeached and say he’s a disaster for the country, but who just can’t overcome their pious purity to actually vote for someone too liberal, will likely be determinative and throw the EC once again to Trump.

PS. The Koch brothers are very conservative, libertarian Republicans who disagree with Trump on trade and immigration. They sat out the 2016 election and will likely refrain from any monetary support for Trump in 2020. They’ll pour money into pushing their agenda on other candidates and lobbying efforts.

 

[DasJazz]

Warren is extremely intelligent and is a policy wonk. I know that turns some people off who hate trying to understand complicated things, but she's far from a nut job.

As of right now she's my #1.

Fair enough, but her public persona is definitely a bit off. Just my opinion I suppose but I think she has too much baggage to make it to the nomination.