2020 Presidential election

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, give me a break man. Warren's math works, whether or not you agree with the socialists over at Jacobin that a payroll tax is superior to a head tax (as I do), Warren's proposal accounts for her increased costs.

We weren't arguing if Warren's plan was the best way to fund M4A, you seemed to think it was entirely unworkable. If you want to pretend to believe the leftist critiques of her plans, that's fine, and you'll get little disagreement from me.

No it doesn't.

But I agree with Biden that said Warren is lying and this is not feasible without taxing the living hell out of the average Joes and you say there's little disagreement so ive been right this entire time. As usual.

Thanks.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, give me a break man. Warren's math works, whether or not you agree with the socialists over at Jacobin that a payroll tax is superior to a head tax (as I do), Warren's proposal accounts for her increased costs.

We weren't arguing if Warren's plan was the best way to fund M4A, you seemed to think it was entirely unworkable. If you want to pretend to believe the leftist critiques of her plans, that's fine, and you'll get little disagreement from me.

Btw what? This has been my argument the entire time. I've said all along give me a plan that makes sense. Warren's does not. That is what we are arguing.

You mistake me saying Warren's plan is terrible as me saying I'm completely against something that makes sense. You guys just want whatever without logically questioning a single thing just to feel special.

 

[Zombie]

Btw what? This has been my argument the entire time. I've said all along give me a plan that makes sense. Warren's does not. That is what we are arguing.

You mistake me saying Warren's an is terrible as saying I'm completely against something that makes sense. You guys just want whatever just to feel special.

Lol, the genesis of this conversation was you pretending Warren's plan would cost twice what it actually would, while claiming the numbers to pay for her plan don't exist.

I proved to you that her proposal would in fact raise the money to finance it.

Whether the methods she uses in her plan are too regressive and budernsome for workers is an entirely different conversation, and one you are making in obvious bad faith.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol, the genesis of this conversation was you pretending Warren's plan would cost twice what it actually would, while claiming the numbers to pay for her plan don't exist.

I proved to you that her proposal would in fact raise the money to finance it.

Whether the methods she uses in her plan are too regressive and budernsome for workers is an entirely different conversation, and one you are making in obvious bad faith.

Not for me. That's where I've been coming from since day one. By saying we can't afford it that's what I mean. You finally gave me the numbers (thanks) and now I'm saying it's "burdensome" meaning it's going to take heavy toll. I can afford a nice BMW but can I really afford it?

 

[Zombie]

Not for me. That's where I've been coming from since day one. By saying we can't afford it that's what I mean. You finally gave me the numbers (thanks) and now I'm saying it's "burdensome" meaning it's going to take heavy toll. I can afford a nice BMW but can I really afford it?

You've been coming from Warren's plan isn't socialist enough and puts undue burden on workers this whole time? Really?

FOH.

 

[silesian]

Does anyone else find it ironic that one party accuses the other on being communist, while their leader pines to sit by Putin’s side during Russia's May Day parade? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...may day parade russia&hl=en-us&source=sh/x/im

 

[JazzyFresh]

You've been coming from Warren's plan isn't socialist enough and puts undue burden on workers this whole time? Really?

FOH.

No I'm coming from her plan puts a burden on us. 20T doesn't just come out of thin air. There will be consequences. There will be wait times, people will lose jobs(2 million by Warren's admission that's just in hospitals not insurance companies(I brought this up more than once)), middle class WILL be taxed(I've quoted I agree with Biden, Bernie), business may move like they already are out of NY and Ca because of crazy taxes. Businesses will pay a **** load more in taxes, where do they make that up? Inflation.

These are all concerns I have brought fourth.

 

[silesian]

Not for me. That's where I've been coming from since day one. By saying we can't afford it that's what I mean. You finally gave me the numbers (thanks) and now I'm saying it's "burdensome" meaning it's going to take heavy toll. I can afford a nice BMW but can I really afford it?

Our military is a Lamborghini on steroids and can we really afford it?

I thought that trump was going to reduce all these foreign entanglements stop policing the world and bring our boys home. Three years in and no evidence this has even started.

Classic guns or butter, baby.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Our military is a Lamborghini on steroids and can we really afford it?

I thought that trump was going to reduce all these foreign entanglements stop policing the world and bring our boys home. Three years in and no evidence this has even started.

Classic guns or butter, baby.

Look over there

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Wow, random Trump derangement episode. I agree with cutting military waste and getting out of needless wars btw.
. That has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation though.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Jesus christ. Imagine thinking your suffering of being a multimillionaire with the levels of control over the government compares to dying for your country. Then imagine putting that in a book for everyone to read.

It's staggering that anyone takes these clowns seriously.

okay libtard okay. Why can’t you just get over it? You lost in 2016. You’re clearly suffering from TDS. You criticize everything this president and his family do. They’re the real victims of this entire Ukrainian thing. You and your tax raising socialist gun confiscating ilk will have your chance to beat trump in 2020 in an election he’s already been caught once trying to rig.

So instead of you being such a divisive piece of human scum, why not support this wonderful president who always wins, until 2020?

 

[Zombie]

20T doesn't just come out of thin air.

And we're back to square one I see.

You're assuming wait times will increase but you've yet to support that assertion.

I'm not too torn up about the people working for a system that is bleeding the rest of us dry, but any move to M4A will have a transition period allowing these people to find work with other insurance companies or elsewhere. You're wrong BTW, that 2 million figure is largely people working for health insurance companies, not hospital workers.

Under Warren's plan the middle class wouldn't be taxed, but I think it's more likely that a M4A plan that someday gets passed probably would. But that doesn't really matter. Again, the middle and working classes are currently getting soaked by healthcare costs that they'd no longer have to bear.

Business are not going to leave the US, that's silly to think. Further, they will no longer be paying hundreds of billions of dollars a year in employer based insurance. Your worry about inflation is nonsense.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Actually nvmd this has run its course. The Pillager will not even be the candidate. So we've wasted enough time.