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silesian said:
I'm pro school choice, but you must admit, the failure of many charter schools have really screwed a lot of kids. Not that many public schools don't have MAJOR problems, mind you. But they don't go broke in the middle of a marking period.
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People already have choice, yes? If you want to send your child to a charter or private school, you can try. They might refuse your child entrance by vetting him/her through various means. But you still have choice.

I don’t see why they (charters and private schools) should be enriched by siphoning off funds for public schools. Right?

And then we have the entire academic outcome issue. States like Florida, Michigan, and Louisiana that have tried “school choice” aren’t seeing improved academic outcomes. Louisiana is desperately trying to reverse course. It’s hard, because school choice advocates are typically funded by billionaires like the Devos family.
 
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I went to a mixture of public and Catholic schools while in K-12. I think because the Catholic schools did not use public funds, the parents there were more committed and more involved than the parents of public schools. Outside of that, I did not see a lot of difference in quality.
 
I remember early in my career when I taught k-12 here in Utah, I would always see a flood of rejected kids from charter near the start of October right after the first term ended. Why? The rule was, in order for these schools to hold onto state funding for students, those students needed to attend for at least one term or else the charter would forfeit state funding.

So charters would hold onto these kids who often needed special accommodations, until the first term ended. Then, they would dump their rejects onto the public school and keep the money. With very few exceptions, these students struggled behaviorally, Socially, and intellectually. That’s why their parents tried the charter school and that’s why the charter school rejected them after one term.

I think Utah has since mended this loophole so the money goes wherever the student goes. But it exposed to me early in my career what a joke charters were. They vet students by requiring parent service hours and student uniforms (disproportionately weeding out minorities) and dumping problem students onto us as soon as they could do so and still hold onto state funding. So public schools were left dealing with problem students without adequate funding. And then pro choice advocates would try to compare my classroom of students 35+ students with varying degrees of issues, races, economic levels, and without adequate state funding To charters with classrooms of 20 students of homogeneous students, required parental participation, and far more state funding per pupil.

Which is funny, Because even with these inherent advantages charters have over traditional public schools, we still consistently over performed them in Utah. When Utah did it’s grading system, overwhelmingly the top schools were public schools. While the failing schools were overwhelmingly charter.
 
The highest rate TV show of all time would be putting Biden and Trump in a single car, asking them to drive across the country with no phones, no GPS, just an atlas. It would be the ultimate road trip just to film these guys talk amongst themselves while driving aimlessly in a desert.
 
Avery said:
The highest rate TV show of all time would be putting Biden and Trump in a single car, asking them to drive across the country with no phones, no GPS, just an atlas. It would be the ultimate road trip just to film these guys talk amongst themselves while driving aimlessly in a desert.
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They'd probably talk about their golf games.
 
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