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Jazz4ever said:
Right......everyone said they were moving to Canada when he won in 2016 and it never happened. "Not my president". Remember?
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I will not live in a country where the President gains power by blatantly undermining the election process. Especially if his party supports him in that effort.

If Trump legit gets more votes, fine. If he throws millions of votes away and people are cool with that, not fine.

Honestly, moving to Canada, the UK, Ireland or Scotland is just barely more dramatic than moving from Utah to Maine. It's not some crazy thing that is so unthinkable. A lot of people buy into the idea that Murica is just so amazing and everywhere else is just pure trash when that's not true. Plenty of awesome western style democracies to choose from, many of which I wouldn't even have to learn a new language to live in.
 
fishonjazz said:
You think him winning legitimately is the same as him winning by cheating? Or to you think he also cheated last time?

Also, do you think that literally no one left the country after trump won last time? Gameface is one person, not "everyone" btw.

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No he's not going to cheat, my bad, but since Gameface likely believes he should have been impeached and the system failed there, I'm not sure what difference it makes. Sounds like he just wants attention.

For kicks and giggles here are 20 celebrities who said they would leave last election, only one did to my knowledge (Madonna). :D

www.hollywoodreporter.com

20 Stars Who Pledged to Flee the Country If Trump Was Elected: Where Are They Now?

Will Lena Dunham really move to Canada? Is Amy Schumer packing her bags for Spain? Here, a post-election update.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
Jazz4ever said:
No he's not going to cheat, my bad, but since Gameface likely believes he should have been impeached and the system failed there, I'm not sure what difference it makes. Sounds like he just wants attention.

For kicks and giggles here are 20 celebrities who said they would leave last election, only one did to my knowledge (Madonna). :D

www.hollywoodreporter.com

20 Stars Who Pledged to Flee the Country If Trump Was Elected: Where Are They Now?

Will Lena Dunham really move to Canada? Is Amy Schumer packing her bags for Spain? Here, a post-election update.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
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Don't ****ing guess at what I think. I'm right here. Just ask.
 
Jazz4ever said:
No he's not going to cheat, my bad, but since Gameface likely believes he should have been impeached and the system failed there, I'm not sure what difference it makes. Sounds like he just wants attention.

For kicks and giggles here are 20 celebrities who said they would leave last election, only one did to my knowledge (Madonna). :D

www.hollywoodreporter.com

20 Stars Who Pledged to Flee the Country If Trump Was Elected: Where Are They Now?

Will Lena Dunham really move to Canada? Is Amy Schumer packing her bags for Spain? Here, a post-election update.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
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Why do you think there is no difference in the past vs if trump and his party find a way to make millions of votes not count?


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Gameface said:
I will not live in a country where the President gains power by blatantly undermining the election process. Especially if his party supports him in that effort.

If Trump legit gets more votes, fine. If he throws millions of votes away and people are cool with that, not fine.

Honestly, moving to Canada, the UK, Ireland or Scotland is just barely more dramatic than moving from Utah to Maine. It's not some crazy thing that is so unthinkable. A lot of people buy into the idea that Murica is just so amazing and everywhere else is just pure trash when that's not true. Plenty of awesome western style democracies to choose from, many of which I wouldn't even have to learn a new language to live in.
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I would hope that everyone would want to move if the scenario you laid out actually took place. Hopefully none of us would be cool with that happening.


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Gameface said:
I will not live in a country where the President gains power by blatantly undermining the election process. Especially if his party supports him in that effort.

If Trump legit gets more votes, fine. If he throws millions of votes away and people are cool with that, not fine.

Honestly, moving to Canada, the UK, Ireland or Scotland is just barely more dramatic than moving from Utah to Maine. It's not some crazy thing that is so unthinkable. A lot of people buy into the idea that Murica is just so amazing and everywhere else is just pure trash when that's not true. Plenty of awesome western style democracies to choose from, many of which I wouldn't even have to learn a new language to live in.
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One problem with your plan...... Canada might keep their borders closed to Americans.


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Gameface said:
I will not live in a country where the President gains power by blatantly undermining the election process. Especially if his party supports him in that effort.

If Trump legit gets more votes, fine. If he throws millions of votes away and people are cool with that, not fine.

Honestly, moving to Canada, the UK, Ireland or Scotland is just barely more dramatic than moving from Utah to Maine. It's not some crazy thing that is so unthinkable. A lot of people buy into the idea that Murica is just so amazing and everywhere else is just pure trash when that's not true. Plenty of awesome western style democracies to choose from, many of which I wouldn't even have to learn a new language to live in.
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fishonjazz said:
One problem with your plan...... Canada might keep their borders closed to Americans.


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JazzGal said:
Europe as well.

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@Gameface you are ****ed :D . You can always come to Mexico. I'll invite you a beer and some churros if you visit Mexico City
 
fishonjazz said:
One problem with your plan...... Canada might keep their borders closed to Americans.


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Maybe mods can create a separate topic.
However:
1. I am pretty sure, that if you have proper CMR document, then for a US citizen it is not a problem to go to Canada? Even in Europe it was perfectly OK to go from Estonia to Portugal and back by car if you had proper documentation a la transporting one pack of chewing gum during march, april and may. Even now if you visit most of the Europe you have to stay 14 day quarantine; however, if you work in transport business then it is not needed. At least in EU everybody can establish a transport company (business entity) (basically zero fees ) and everyone can transport goods.
2. Are you sure the borders are closed for somebody who accepts to stay 14 days in designated quarantine location in Canada and has a legit reason to be there?
For example, here are the rules about Estonia: https://vm.ee/en/information-countries-and-self-isolation-requirements-passengers
Week or two ago even an US soldier either came with the virus or got it somehow in Estonian military base during the NATO mission. No big fuss about that. Of course, it is better to have an Abrams unit where all the members have the virus with minimal side defects than Soviet troops.
3. I have always wondered why the population size difference is huge in USA vs Canada. From a northern european perspective - If you have above average skills - isn't it possible to get a high wage job in Canada with much lower living expenses compared to NYC, LA, Florida or San Fransisco. Minus all the more or less exaggarated problems the USA has?
 
I've been considering some major life changes in general and moving out of the U.S. is definitely on the table for me.
 
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