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NUMBERICA said:
But you seem to think that those moves were driven by some weird philosophy that was primarily about athleticism, and if we're to look at Orlando as an example, then also to the exclusion of other key attributes, such as shooting/spacing.
Brook Lopez fell out of the sky for them. As did Khris Middleton.

I just think using the success of Milwaukee as justification for your narrowly-defined attributes is half-baked at best. The Bucks are good at basketball and the Magic have routinely decided to stack raw athletes on top of raw athletes.

But maybe to your point, before the Bucks figured out that spacing/shooting was important, their rosters were a total mess.
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i've never said we should only tackle one area and ignore others. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what i've been saying all along.

Because of the one-dimensional approach by DL, we are unable to build a championship winning team after so many years.

You can't only look for raw athlete who aren't good at basketball. likewise, you can't only focus on skilled players who aren't NBA athletes either.

But at least it's easier to teach raw athlete basketball skills than to teach skilled players athleticism, which is why we need to prioritize athletes in NBA draft because most of the players in the draft aren't skilled enough players anyways.

In FA or trade market, yes, we can look for established guys with proven skills(which DL still didn't do).
 
jom2003 said:
i've never said we should only tackle one area and ignore others. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what i've been saying all along.

Because of the one-dimensional approach by DL, we are unable to build a championship winning team after so many years.

You can't only look for raw athlete who aren't good at basketball. likewise, you can't only focus on skilled players who aren't NBA athletes either.

But at least it's easier to teach raw athlete basketball skills than to teach skilled players athleticism, which is why we need to prioritize athletes in NBA draft because most of the players in the draft aren't skilled enough players anyways.

In FA or trade market, yes, we can look for established guys with proven skills(which DL still didn't do).
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In your last paragraph, those are players that are rarely traded without a premium attached or don’t want to come here, point blank.

And yes, I think basketball talent is a real thing. While it is possible to get a raw player to acquire skill, I think it is more often the case that people are surprised that players that are really good at basketball but without supreme/idealized physical attributes succeed in the NBA,

Ultimately, if you’re using the Bucks before their rosters made sense or the Magic for the past 9 years as an example of how to build a roster, I’m gonna say the results disagree wildly.
 
NUMBERICA said:
In your last paragraph, those are players that are rarely traded without a premium attached or don’t want to come here, point blank.
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not really......

Brook Lopez signed with Bucks for a vet min in 2018. That's before Giannis became the back to back MVP too. Milwaukee isn't a very big market.

Pat Connaughton too. A proven rotation piece in Portland signed with Bucks for a vet minimum. Had a great game last night too.

In the same window we brought back Dante for 3 year 30mil......

And we did have the necessary trade assets to acquire those players, but we just wasted them all on PG rentals and salary dump(like the five second rounders that DL burnt just so we can still pay the LT).
 
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Listen, we need guys who can do everything and aren’t liabilities. They can dribble, penetrate, shoot, rebound, defend, have good iq’s and ideally, are as athletic and long as possible, and most definitely do not have subpar athleticism or length on the court.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Listen, we need guys who can do everything and aren’t liabilities. They can dribble, penetrate, shoot, rebound, defend, have good iq’s and ideally, are as athletic and long as possible, and most definitely do not have subpar athleticism or length on the court.
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Wow, what a revelation. I hope the 29 other NBA teams arent thinking the same thing or this could get hard.
 
I know he is old but what do you think of Chris Duarte and how likely does he fall in the draft or can we find a way to move up? He looks playable this year and his comparative metrics are off the charts.
 
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whatthe said:
I know he is old but what do you think of Chris Duarte and how likely does he fall in the draft or can we find a way to move up? He looks playable this year and his comparative metrics are off the charts.
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Would 100% draft if available. No hesitation. Won’t be around, I’d guess.
 
whatthe said:
I know he is old but what do you think of Chris Duarte and how likely does he fall in the draft or can we find a way to move up? He looks playable this year and his comparative metrics are off the charts.
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He'd be a dream pick. No way he gets to 30 though
 
I think Roko should be in the same draft range as Jalen Johnson and Franz Wagner. Maybe just a touch below. He's a late-lottery / mid-1st guy for me. Easily top 20. I think he has a very high floor, similar to Rui Hachimura. The fact that he's 3 years younger entering the draft gives him more upside.

I think he may be the guy for me outside the lottery, although I'd also like to see what the Jazz could do with Garuba.
 
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