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Handlogten's Heros said:
Holy **** dude are you serious. I didn’t say she couldn’t be involved and it’s not about race… you are projecting all that ****.

A mother can be involved in her sons healthcare but if she is not an experienced surgeon I don’t think we want her removing his appendix. Even if it’s a pretty simple procedure. See the difference.
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It's your assertion that it's a problem because it's a mother and not a male figure that is problematic.
 
KqWIN said:
It's called being parent. You made it to a mother thing and said it would be different if it was a man. It's ****ed up to peddle this idea that he doesn't have a male figure in his life (he's literally living with his dad) and that his mom cannot be stern enough for him.

Parent being an agent is a problem. It is not a mother/father thing and it's ****ed up to get into people's business like that.
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What no… go back and read. I literally said that is a piece of her walking around… it’s ****ing biology. But yes claiming a mother could be biased about her son makes me a sexist and a racist. I wouldn’t like it if it was uncle dad or otherwise but mothers have a special genetic biological connection to offspring.
 
KqWIN said:
It's your assertion that it's a problem because it's a mother and not a male figure that is problematic.
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That’s an assertion you assumed by my example in my household. If it was his dad I’d have an issue with it… an Uncle or Aunt with some experience… sure Kyries step mom who is an attorney… sure.

You are creating a potential echo chamber with thee person who is the most biased person (genetically) that there is. I would have to meet them to make a fair assessment but as an outsider that raises my eyebrow a bit.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What no… go back and read. I literally said that is a piece of her walking around… it’s ****ing biology. But yes claiming a mother could be biased about her son makes me a sexist and a racist. I wouldn’t like it if it was uncle dad or otherwise but mothers have a special genetic biological connection to offspring.
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You verbatim said it's different being an father or uncle.

A kid like GG needs another voice… I’m guessing you don’t have a son or a baby momma… cuz if you did you’d know that relationship is different than an Uncle or even dad. My son is 15 and constantly walks all over his mom cuz she doesn’t have it in her to follow through on consequences… it’s not unique to our family either. I’ve seen it many times where moms in an effort to love and protect their sons… are unwilling to correct them when need be or allow them to feel the consequences of their actions. Maybe she’s the tough love type but GGs immaturity and attitude very much need a voice in the room telling him to change some things. I will add that to the pile of red flags homeboy has accumulated.
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The impaction that GG's mom cannot be stern/real whatever with him because she is a woman is ****ed up man. Having a parent as an agent is bad. It is not bad or worse simply because she is a woman. Get that **** out of here.
 
KqWIN said:
It's called being parent. You made it to a mother thing and said it would be different if it was a man. It's ****ed up to peddle this idea that he doesn't have a male figure in his life (he's literally living with his dad) and that his mom cannot be stern enough for him.

Parent being an agent is a problem. It is not a mother/father thing and it's ****ed up to get into people's business like that.
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You are weird. How did I peddle the idea he doesn’t have a father figure… Jesus man you are setting up a hundred straw men that don’t exist. I didn’t say it would be different if it was a man. You assumed that… I simply said there is some biology where mothers care different for their kids… I’ve witnessed it first hand. Dads are also very capable of extreme bias. I wouldn’t want either as the agent unless they are exceptionally sharp or experienced. It might work out.

I suppose momma bear and face only a mother could love were phrases made up by white dudes who were racist and sexist.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
. I didn’t say it would be different if it was a man. … I simply said there is some biology where mothers care different for their kids… ..
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You seem to be confusing yourself.

It's very clear you believe in a certain set of gender and family dynamic norms that agree with your experience as a white male.
 
This great thread is becoming the pet peeve thread for me today. One of my great pet peeves is when people try to incorporate race or religion into everything. It is why I rarely ever go into the general discussion threads anymore. Sorry to inform, but they do not have to be a factor in every aspect of life despite what TV or social media might tell the world. And since I will probably be told "That is because you are *fill in the blank", no I do not fit most stereotypes of people living in Utah or of Utah Jazz fans either.

Now, back to the Jazz and the draft please.
 
KqWIN said:
You verbatim said it's different being an father or uncle.



The impaction that GG's mom cannot be stern/real whatever with him because she is a woman is ****ed up man. Having a parent as an agent is bad. It is not bad or worse simply because she is a woman. Get that **** out of here.
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The relationship is different. It just is. Maybe it becomes awesome because mothers are better at certain things… I literally said maybe she’s the tough love type… I’ve seen both. She may be capable of that. I’m not gonna phrase things perfectly… it’s a message forum… maybe should not have reference dad and said aunt or uncle.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You are weird. How did I peddle the idea he doesn’t have a father figure… Jesus man you are setting up a hundred straw men that don’t exist. I didn’t say it would be different if it was a man. You assumed that… I simply said there is some biology where mothers care different for their kids… I’ve witnessed it first hand. Dads are also very capable of extreme bias. I wouldn’t want either as the agent unless they are exceptionally sharp or experienced. It might work out.

I suppose momma bear and face only a mother could love were phrases made up by white dudes who were racist and sexist.
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You literally said you have a problem with his mom because she is a woman and that it would be different if it were a man. You don't know **** about what GG's mom or his family dynamic is like. And for the record, family dynamics are very dependent on cultural and socioeconomics conditions. So I do not give a **** about your first hand witness unless it's a first hand witness of interacting with GG and his family. There are so many people that would laugh in your face at this idea that mothers are not tough and their children walk over them. It is me, I am laughing in your face at this assertion.

And yes, you verbatim said it would be different if it was a man and even in this post keep trying to prove your point that woman cannot do what a man can. If it would not be any different if it was a man, why do you feel the need to keep establishing this difference? Bull ****. If there's no difference, there is no need to keep harping on these supposed differences between men and women.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You seem to be confusing yourself.

It's very clear you believe in a certain set of gender and family dynamic norms that agree with your experience as a white male.
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I’m biased by my own experience… for sure. So are you… but if you think there isn’t a stronger biological connection between mothers and offspring I think that’s just pretty much science. Maybe in my experience that manifests more as coddling and in different cultures it manifests differently. Either way… I am very cool with his parents being super involved in all aspects of his life but to represent as an agent is not something I like.
 
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