My new comp for Amen is skinny THT with elite athleticism
2023 NBA Draft Megathread
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Eddie Zero
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Black is pretty overrated imo. He is going to be about as impactful as Cade Cunningham offensively at best, who was a massive overpick by the looks of it.
Maybe he becomes more than that, and it gets him looks top 10.If based on a decent bb iq as is anyway. But I would not draft a meh shooting, meh ball handling, secondary creator, whos team is barely in the top 25- despite his ranking by most suggesting he makes his team better and is some elite defender.
All I am saying is he is overrated in general, not that he isn't worth drafting and developing late lottery.
There are many other options in this draft that seem like higher upside choices, at least one or two should be there with our first pick which just got better after Sexton got hurt.
I mean if you want a higher floor 2 way guard who can make some plays and run your offense as needed, but is not the primary ball handler, I would much rather draft the better shooting Colby Jones late teens, than waste a pick at 9 or 10 on Black who will take longer to develop. Especially not when I could have drafted an elite shooter like Hawkins, or a monster upside prospect like Hendricks, Jett or Ausar.
Maybe he becomes more than that, and it gets him looks top 10.If based on a decent bb iq as is anyway. But I would not draft a meh shooting, meh ball handling, secondary creator, whos team is barely in the top 25- despite his ranking by most suggesting he makes his team better and is some elite defender.
All I am saying is he is overrated in general, not that he isn't worth drafting and developing late lottery.
There are many other options in this draft that seem like higher upside choices, at least one or two should be there with our first pick which just got better after Sexton got hurt.
I mean if you want a higher floor 2 way guard who can make some plays and run your offense as needed, but is not the primary ball handler, I would much rather draft the better shooting Colby Jones late teens, than waste a pick at 9 or 10 on Black who will take longer to develop. Especially not when I could have drafted an elite shooter like Hawkins, or a monster upside prospect like Hendricks, Jett or Ausar.
Bawse Dawg
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What do you guys consider the cut off for 'we got an elite type prospect'. Let's take Scoot and Victor of the board, so #3-#? how many players get you saying 'Jazz did enough tanking to get a pick good enough that we potentially got an awesome player.
I don't know anything, but starting to recognize names and definitely know the type of player I'm looking for. So I could definitely get excited about Black for example. He's #10 on Tankathon. #3-#10
Thompson
Miller
Thompson
Smith Jr.
Walker
George
Whitmore
Black
With #11 being Gradey Dick. Dick would definitely feel like a tier below the kind of prospect I'd want (I don't know anything). Back to the original question, how many of those dudes get you hyped about being our top pick? Is it just Miller or a Thompson twin? Are there dudes you would add to the list? How close does this board lineup with your own?
I don't know anything, but starting to recognize names and definitely know the type of player I'm looking for. So I could definitely get excited about Black for example. He's #10 on Tankathon. #3-#10
Thompson
Miller
Thompson
Smith Jr.
Walker
George
Whitmore
Black
With #11 being Gradey Dick. Dick would definitely feel like a tier below the kind of prospect I'd want (I don't know anything). Back to the original question, how many of those dudes get you hyped about being our top pick? Is it just Miller or a Thompson twin? Are there dudes you would add to the list? How close does this board lineup with your own?
What? Is Cade not awesome? And isn't Black good on defense? So Cade on offense with good defense upside? Cade was putting up 20/6/6...
Not sure comping Black to Cade is the bucket of water you seem to think it is
Yeah man, I've tried to hard to like Walsh but he does almost nothing good beyond defend.
Here's how I see the prospects in a normal draft:
Generational: Wemby
Top 1: Scoot
Top 5: Brandon Miller
Top 8: Jarace, Cam Whitmore
Everyone else....I'm not sure I would see them as surefire top 8 picks in a standard draft. IMO, this draft is condensed around the 8-16 range because there are a lot of guys that have fallen down or risen up to that draft stock.
Thompson Twins: Impossible to evaluate 20 year olds playing against high school kids. Their production is not particularly impressive at all.
Smith Jr/George: Shotmakers/creators....but not particularly amazing at it. Tough to judge because NCAA basketball is so terrible....but their playstyle is a tough living in the NBA.
Wallace/Black: Similarity prospects, likely role players in the NBA. Black is more exciting, Wallace is a better player right now.
Dick/Sensabaugh/Jett: These guys have had good seasons and it would not be surprised if they were draft above the guys listed above.
seattlejazzfan
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i watched Arkansas last night, they inserted NSJ about mid way through the first half - he played about 5 minutes and honestly was unplayable and he never saw the court in a close game the rest of the way. granted, it was just his second game back from injury, but he looked so bad. he's going to be interesting to watch the rest of the way, but Arkansas is on the ropes a bit - they need to win games right now to guarantee a spot in the dance.
seattlejazzfan
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also a good cutter/finisher, pretty good passer and plays smart - there is a reason (beyond just the defense) musselman plays him a ton in tight games. type of guy who could be a really good four year player, but yeah, i'm the same - i wanted to like him, but he just isn't anything special with the ball and the three still isn't falling - just don't see him as an nba prospect right now.
Eddie Zero
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Miller and Keyonte are the only two in that list with high floors and low bust potential for me, and also have similar upsides of Walker, or Cam, that are not a huge bust risk, but whos floors are lower depending on who drafts them. Thompsons are huge risk reward types since there is little to go on, but the ability to hoop is there, they are not ranked that high just based on max verts.
I like Black as a high level role player with a nice floor, but not much elite anything there, and think he is not a high upside type, Smith probably ins't either anymore with his injury history, same with the once top 5 ranked Whitehead. Black has a higher floor than both of them but its only because of the injuries.
I like Walker and Whitmore the most as having safe enough floors to take early but high enough potentials to not mind taking before the Thompsons if I have a nervous owner who is happy to replace me if they bust.
Personally think one of the twins becomes an elite level all nba player. Not sure which one though
seattlejazzfan
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highest ceilings, imo, are miller, whitmore, walker and george.
Eddie Zero
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Sure not same players, not a COMP. However I do see the same lack of impact, both being overrated pre draft
Cade averaged like 17-6-6 his rookie season what you talking bout?