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Heard some interesting things yesterday that kind of stuck... The really good two guard without ideal positional size but can't play the 1 is the new offense only big... lots of them and they limit you in some capacity. Simons, Poole, Herro, JC, Sexton, etc. I would avoid guys that would fall into this trap... NSJ, Keyonte, maybe even Bufkin (although the defense is solid/good) if you don't believe in him as a pg. Also I think it gives some value to bigger pgs that can make these types more playable/functional. Black, Ausar may have some of this, Amen, and maybe JHS (not a fan but I get it), Jones, all might have some value in making these types work.

There is also the high end of this player type like Donovan... but we saw some of those limitations. Just a thought
 
NUMBERICA said:
So I’m now finally taking a deeper dive into the players projected later in the draft and some are started to jump out to me. I think there are guys worth drafting and just seeing if it works. As already mentioned, there are a couple of teams like Charlotte and Indiana that might rather do something other than draft four guys in the later part of the draft.

Jalen Picket is interesting to me. Isaiah Wong might be there at 55 (the Pacers 5th pick this year). Judah Mintz might go undrafted. AJJ could be a lot of fun if the Jazz really devote themselves to spacing bigs besides Kessler.

Some interesting players out there.
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take a look at taevion kinsey. he's a bad mfer
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Heard some interesting things yesterday that kind of stuck... The really good two guard without ideal positional size but can't play the 1 is the new offense only big... lots of them and they limit you in some capacity. Simons, Poole, Herro, JC, Sexton, etc. I would avoid guys that would fall into this trap... NSJ, Keyonte, maybe even Bufkin (although the defense is solid/good) if you don't believe in him as a pg. Also I think it gives some value to bigger pgs that can make these types more playable/functional. Black, Ausar may have some of this, Amen, and maybe JHS (not a fan but I get it), Jones, all might have some value in making these types work.

There is also the high end of this player type like Donovan... but we saw some of those limitations. Just a thought
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iow, if you're under 6'5", you'd better be able to legit play lead guard.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
iow, if you're under 6'5", you'd better be able to legit play lead guard.
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And those guys have real value as bench pieces I think… I’m also still interested in Simons to see if he could be a lead guard… but this draft seems to have a lot of that player type.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Heard some interesting things yesterday that kind of stuck... The really good two guard without ideal positional size but can't play the 1 is the new offense only big... lots of them and they limit you in some capacity. Simons, Poole, Herro, JC, Sexton, etc. I would avoid guys that would fall into this trap... NSJ, Keyonte, maybe even Bufkin (although the defense is solid/good) if you don't believe in him as a pg. Also I think it gives some value to bigger pgs that can make these types more playable/functional. Black, Ausar may have some of this, Amen, and maybe JHS (not a fan but I get it), Jones, all might have some value in making these types work.

There is also the high end of this player type like Donovan... but we saw some of those limitations. Just a thought
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Counterpoint.....I would compare them to the roll man/drop coverage big. I think the cat has been out of the bag that these guys are not ideal in every context. But these guys can still help you, and you could argue that they have been somewhat underrated in the draft. A lot of the guys you listed highly outperformed their draft position. I think we all kinda expect Derrick Lively, for example, to be a good player and outperform his draft position. There's a reason why he won't be draft higher, he's not ideal/good fit for everyone, but it doesn't change his chances of being a solid player.

They are not ideal players, but they may be more likely to overperform their draft position because everyone knows that they are less than ideal. The other side of this would be that you are more likely to get a bust if you try to find the perfect player because the chances of that perfect player are slim.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And those guys have real value as bench pieces I think… I’m also still interested in Simons to see if he could be a lead guard… but this draft seems to have a lot of that player type.
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agreed. there is absolutely a place for those guys - usually as sixth men types, but they are always going to be limited in terms of ceiling and their ability to impact winning. defense is usually an issue with them and they tend be mediocre from an efficiency standpoint.

and kqwin makes a good point - nba teams should be careful to not undervalue them due to their downsides as they do often outplay their draft position.
 
Interesting intel from Stein. We should all be mentally prepared to take Bilal in the top 10. Feels like a reach, but if they like him that much I definitely would talk myself into it, especially with our development staff. I just hope Ainge doesn't have Giannis PTSD and is just determined to not get burned again, even if he doesn't think Bilal is all that.

Bilal and Keyonte would feel like a very odd, aimless draft. Especially if we used 28 to move up from 16 to get George. Settle in for a nice long rebuild if that's what happens.

Edit: The real issue with Bilal at 9 is that it's literally impossible for there not to be a guy I really like at 9. Even at 10 it makes way more sense, but passing on Black, Hendricks, or someone else who fell there is a tough sell. Get that Mavs pick!
 
KqWIN said:
Counterpoint.....I would compare them to the roll man/drop coverage big. I think the cat has been out of the bag that these guys are not ideal in every context. But these guys can still help you, and you could argue that they have been somewhat underrated in the draft. A lot of the guys you listed highly outperformed their draft position. I think we all kinda expect Derrick Lively, for example, to be a good player and outperform his draft position. There's a reason why he won't be draft higher, he's not ideal/good fit for everyone, but it doesn't change his chances of being a solid player.

They are not ideal players, but they may be more likely to overperform their draft position because everyone knows that they are less than ideal. The other side of this would be that you are more likely to get a bust if you try to find the perfect player because the chances of that perfect player are slim.
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I get it... I would just be mindful of the "trap" and be grooming them to be a lead guard from day 1... would also want to make sure they have some playmaking potential. Some of these guys were kinda forced into non-pg duties with the stars on their teams.

Was just a thought... I wouldn't be rushing to those player types as you can likely acquire the finished product regardless of where they were drafted. At 16 I'd be good betting on one of those guys. At #9 we should have better options.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Interesting intel from Stein. We should all be mentally prepared to take Bilal in the top 10. Feels like a reach, but if they like him that much I definitely would talk myself into it, especially with our development staff. I just hope Ainge doesn't have Giannis PTSD and is just determined to not get burned again, even if he doesn't think Bilal is all that.

Bilal and Keyonte would feel like a very odd, aimless draft. Especially if we used 28 to move up from 16 to get George. Settle in for a nice long rebuild if that's what happens.

Edit: The real issue with Bilal at 9 is that it's literally impossible for there not to be a guy I really like at 9. Even at 10 it makes way more sense, but passing on Black, Hendricks, or someone else who fell there is a tough sell. Get that Mavs pick!
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It's likely smokescreen with the name used this early, but could be legit.
 
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