HadAnEffectHere
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John Collins is close to the worst possible fit you could dream up for the Kings so I imagine the coaching staff told the GM that they should not, lol.
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Lauri + Sexton + 1/2 Collier + Suns Unprotected FRP + possibly a Cavs swap in 28 and pick in 29 is still a good haul. Plus, the Jazz had to move him because he was going to leave by now. Trading Donovan also factors into the Jazz getting a top-5 or so pick this year from their own record.
He's a solid fit.
If you are playing Sabonis at the 5, it's hard to get a 4 that fits perfectly unless you have someone like Chet Holmgren.
Collins can space the floor, play backup 5 against bench units, has added passing to his game, and can finish inside. It's not perfect, but they cant do much better currently.
Tremendous Upside
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As an on-ball guard playing 30mpg in the NBA, you can average 4APG by just existing.
Are you kidding me?
Even Lauri is averaging 2APG, FFS
HadAnEffectHere
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It's not just that Sabonis-Collins is a bad fit defensively, it's that you have to protect DeRozan defensively so it becomes even more awkward.
The Kings have a bunch of solid players that just aren't good enough to be big time guys on a contending team and Collins would just be another one of those guys.
For what it’s worth what the Sacramento guys are reporting is what I had heard on the Utah side as well that a John Collins deal was all but done.
I saw a stray tweet last week that (I think it was) John Collins's agent was in Sacto last week, presumably to discuss whether he'd continue with the Kings another year on his player option.
Could it be that the reason the trade didn't go through was because the Kings didn't get the assurance they wanted from Collins?
Could it be that the reason the trade didn't go through was because the Kings didn't get the assurance they wanted from Collins?
Well they have to try or they might as well do a major selloff and enter another 10 yers of tanking
The Jazz Wonderbra
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Downplaying Lauri is silly. He has plenty of value.
We are tanking. Of course his stats will take a hit when he is playing next to Cody Williams and Patti Mills. Besides, we don't WANT him to have a great year.
He might not have great value for another couple years when more maxes under the new cap get signed.
And yeah, we do want him to have a great year. He can play great and the Jazz can still lose.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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If yall doubt Sexton is not a pass first option... Next game, watch how many times he catches the ball. Put a tally mark.
Each time he shoots put a tally for the shot. Each time he passes put a tally on a column for pass. I think it will be clear after a few games what I am talking about.
Each time he shoots put a tally for the shot. Each time he passes put a tally on a column for pass. I think it will be clear after a few games what I am talking about.
framer
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It would be interesting if the Kings end up losing Fox because they couldn't quit Trey Lyles. .
You said he never passes. No one is arguing he is a pass first guard. You are a moron.
And for the record, Sexton is 3rd in passes per game, which is right where he should be seeing as he isnt the team's PG or backup PG, he is their 2-guard. You dont have to tally passes made and received per game. There is data that tells you that information.
Are you suggesting Trey Lyles was the holdup in the deal? You cant be that stupid...
Tremendous Upside
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Lauri isn't playing well by any means, but I mean... it's obvious he's a guy who needs a certain type of environment to really thrive. He didn't just become an All Star in a vacuum back in 22-23: the whole team had much more of a passing / ball-moving mindset, more experience and more skill. Lauri played off of that.
I don't see him getting back to that level unless heavy changes are made to this roster. Since that too is improbable in the near future, it's just best to trade Lauri ASAP.
framer
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I don't understand it, but yeah, the majority of their online fanbase were loathe to give up Lyles to get John Collins. To be fair, we only wanted Lyles because he was an expiring, so he had much more value to the Kings.
mdalby
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Sexton's Per 36 stats are pretty comparable to Fox and they should be able to get Sexton cheap. Sexton is more efficient with better shooting percentages. Sexton is one year younger and has one more year on his contract at $19M after this season.
Seems like a good fit for the Kings.
Seems like a good fit for the Kings.
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Collin is likely worth a first... Lauri at his downgrade worth 2.5 good firsts. IDK like 5 firsts if you melt it all down. Could be worse. I always thought those deals should really be looked at as one but whatevs.
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Everyone just says this is how the Kings work lol. There may not have been any hangup... they just weren't quite all the way ready to do it and waited. My guess is Fox got word that another team he didn't want to go to was making an offer for him and decided to take control of things with his reps. So Collins deal then dies or is on pause. My guess is it was like Collins for Huerter/Lyles and a top 10 protected first in 2028 that turns into seconds (Or one second) if its in the protections. Maybe they were shopping Lyles to other teams to return expiring salary and a second or something.
I guess what I am saying is... I don't think this deal broke down and then Fox requested out. I think other things happened that made him request out and this deal which was likely close to done... was paused or killed.