2024-25 Trade Rumors Thread

[HeatCheck]

I'd also throw the Clippers in there. They can trade Tucker and Bones as expiring salary. Kevin Porter Jr has been horrid and they're relying on him as their bench scorer. Their picks are decimated but you could figure out away to get some compensation there....but like I said, I don't see the point on this team so I wouldn't expect any value for him.

Agreed. I think the frustration is starting to boil over for him. Lauri and Collin are the most tenured guys in the entire league who haven't made the playoffs yet. That has to be really, really frustrating for such a super competitive player esp when he will be due for another contract. At least Lauri has 238 million reasons to suck it up and play along with the company line.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Might be a hot take, but I'd trade Sexton for neutral value right now. There's no light at the end of the tunnel here, he will just leave at the end of his contract and there won't be an attempt by either side to continue the partnership. I think the damage done to our tanking efforts from him outweighs the potential we re-sign him later.

Not a hot take I said something similar on my podcast. It’s kind of hard to put into words but I know exactly what you mean. I am also just over undersized guards. A year ago if you told me I’d be typing this I would have said you’re crazy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I need a real honest to goodness first for Sexton or else I hold. I see no need to sell him off for salvage value while the tank if tanking so hard right now. I really don't care about improving his trade value. I don't see it as a done deal that he wouldn't stay. Not even sure what we'd do with cap space if they found a salary dump deal for him.

Salary dump Clarkson if you can.

We have an issue but we don't need to solve it in a rushed fashion that returns no value.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And let's be honest. Of all the guys that could hurt the tank... Sexton may have the least amount of impact because of the way Hardy rolls. He will be the most efficient guard on the floor and still play 20 minutes because of a mistake that our other guards make all the time.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Don't get trade horny and make a decision you'll regret in the morning.

 

[KqWIN]

I need a real honest to goodness first for Sexton or else I hold. I see no need to sell him off for salvage value while the tank if tanking so hard right now. I really don't care about improving his trade value. I don't see it as a done deal that he wouldn't stay. Not even sure what we'd do with cap space if they found a salary dump deal for him.

Salary dump Clarkson if you can.

We have an issue but we don't need to solve it in a rushed fashion that returns no value.

You seem to working from the perspective of winning the trade, and I can understand that......but my perspective is that even if Sexton ought to be "worth" something, we're still probably better off without him. I'll ask you this, if Sexton was a free agent....would you sign him to the exact contract he has now (and you get bird rights ect)? For me, that answer would be a very easy NO. The only reasons why you would want Sexton right now on his current deal are 1) he helps you win even in a smaller role or 2) you think he can become more than he is. Reason number one is obviously a negative for the Jazz, we don't want to win and we have eliminated any potential of reason number two. Is there another good reason to have him? The only things I can come up with is that you might be able to trade him for something or you have bird rights on him two years from now. IMO, it is not worth it. I'd rather have an expiring contract. I'll take the less wins, open roster spot, increased in minutes available, and cap space next year over the potential that we trade Sexton for something or re-sign two years from now.

I hope we can get creative and get a first from someone like ORL....but if all that's out there is expiring contracts, I think we're just better off. Even if Sexton went on to level up elsewhere, I would not regret it because there was no chance it could have happened in UTA.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Even if Sexton went on to level up elsewhere, I would not regret it because there was no chance it could have happened in UTA.

He's not leveling up. He's a 6 foot shoot-first jitterbug guard who'll be 26 in January. Those guys don't age that well.

 

[homeytennis]

He's not leveling up. He's a 6 foot shoot-first jitterbug guard who'll be 26 in January. Those guys don't age that well.

John Stockton aged pretty well.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

John Stockton aged pretty well.

Yeah, and Chris Paul. It helps somewhat if you're literally a basketball genius headed to the HOF. Sexton is just a dude relying on his quickness.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You seem to working from the perspective of winning the trade, and I can understand that......but my perspective is that even if Sexton ought to be "worth" something, we're still probably better off without him. I'll ask you this, if Sexton was a free agent....would you sign him to the exact contract he has now (and you get bird rights ect)? For me, that answer would be a very easy NO. The only reasons why you would want Sexton right now on his current deal are 1) he helps you win even in a smaller role or 2) you think he can become more than he is. Reason number one is obviously a negative for the Jazz, we don't want to win and we have eliminated any potential of reason number two. Is there another good reason to have him? The only things I can come up with is that you might be able to trade him for something or you have bird rights on him two years from now. IMO, it is not worth it. I'd rather have an expiring contract. I'll take the less wins, open roster spot, increased in minutes available, and cap space next year over the potential that we trade Sexton for something or re-sign two years from now.

I see what you are saying and appreciate the logic but wouldn't we evaluate Lauri the same way then? He hurts our ability to lose games... not likely to be a whole lot more than he already is... we can certainly trade him for something later though but not sure it will be more than we could have gotten this summer.

With Sexton I would take him on his current deal if that was the only use I could have for that space. I do think he is an asset and helps us win a little now which is negative... but does trading him move us below the Wiz? Nah. Raps? maybe... not sure. If he moves your odds from 2nd to 4th or 5th I get it... but I don't think he does. I think he can help us later and I do think having him in the locker room and as an example is positive. With how cap space works I am not sure you find a better use for his 18M this year or next. On an expiring deal this summer you may be able to parlay him and Collins or JC for a bigger deal if you decide to push in. Not sure dropping his salary provides any functional cap space.

I also don't think moving him for nothing really opens up playing time or a lot of oxygen for someone else. I think JC/Key would take up a chunk of that. I think Sexton has as much chance to contribute to winning in 2-3 years as Key does. JC is the guy to move for nothing or even negative value if you have to sacrifice. I think if Sexton roles out JC takes up more oxygen and there may not be as much room or added dev time as we think.

If his value not much right now I wait. It isn't necessarily about him increasing his value or play but just holding his value until a buyer wants to purchase what he brings.

I hope we can get creative and get a first from someone like ORL....but if all that's out there is expiring contracts, I think we're just better off. Even if Sexton went on to level up elsewhere, I would not regret it because there was no chance it could have happened in UTA.

Ehhhh... you are a little too rigid here. He has leveled up here... while he may have plateaued or even down shifted a bit, its tough to give him a perfectly fair evaluation of what he can or is here. I think of it kinda like OKC or Orlando... they kept helpful young vets around even when trying to lose. Kept some around for later. Worst case Sexton plays well and wins a few extra games... naturally if he is playing that well his value should increase or maybe just his chances of being given more opportunities here would jump up. Until you know what the cap space brings, especially for us, I think the mystery bag is overrated.

Maybe by the trade deadline I'd be ready to punt... but I think that deal is always going to be there unless he gets hurt. In which case... he helps the tank by being hurt.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Now that DLo is again out of favor with the Lakers (depends on which messaging you listen to) I think a JC for Dlo deal can happen. Would save the Lakers like 10-20M+ between tax and salary. They get a bench gunner for their bench gunner and get the vibes of JC.

There are other variations that might also save them some additional money like adding Eubanks and taking JHS/Wood or adding Svi for JHS. Could do a big money saver like JC/Svi for Dlo/JHS/Wood... we'd need to waive Patty but nbd there.

 

[KqWIN]

I see what you are saying and appreciate the logic but wouldn't we evaluate Lauri the same way then? He hurts our ability to lose games... not likely to be a whole lot more than he already is... we can certainly trade him for something later though but not sure it will be more than we could have gotten this summer.

With Sexton I would take him on his current deal if that was the only use I could have for that space. I do think he is an asset and helps us win a little now which is negative... but does trading him move us below the Wiz? Nah. Raps? maybe... not sure. If he moves your odds from 2nd to 4th or 5th I get it... but I don't think he does. I think he can help us later and I do think having him in the locker room and as an example is positive. With how cap space works I am not sure you find a better use for his 18M this year or next. On an expiring deal this summer you may be able to parlay him and Collins or JC for a bigger deal if you decide to push in. Not sure dropping his salary provides any functional cap space.

I also don't think moving him for nothing really opens up playing time or a lot of oxygen for someone else. I think JC/Key would take up a chunk of that. I think Sexton has as much chance to contribute to winning in 2-3 years as Key does. JC is the guy to move for nothing or even negative value if you have to sacrifice. I think if Sexton roles out JC takes up more oxygen and there may not be as much room or added dev time as we think.

If his value not much right now I wait. It isn't necessarily about him increasing his value or play but just holding his value until a buyer wants to purchase what he brings.

Lauri is good enough to be a big part of the future. Max players, who are valued as such around the league, do not grow on trees. He is the player you tank for. Sexton, on the other hand, is at maximum a bench player for us. Is he actually capable of being better than that? Maybe? Will it happen here? No chance, like I said we've self eliminated that possibility. Whatever winning Lauri causes now, it's a good bet that it will be worth it for the future value he will provide.

You can downplay the negatives of keeping him all you want. I was the one confident that this team was bad since you were worried that Bazley was going to ruin our tank. The point is, having here and winning games will result in some amount of wins over the next to seasons. Maybe it's only a spot or two, maybe it's none at all. Point is that he does make you win more and that only has negative impact on the franchise. By keeping him, you get basically nothing positive. Bird rights two years from now? Hope of an actual trade when you are constantly negging his value? I'm going to be honest, I don't value that at all. The negative, even if it's not that much, outweighs the positive here.

I haven't even commented on whether or not I actually think Sexton is good, and that's intentional. I don't think it matters. The Jazz are guaranteeing the worst case scenario for his career, so it doesn't matter if he could be better. We won't allow it to happen, so just let him go. It benefits nobody for Sexton to be on this team. Trade him or play him.

Ehhhh... you are a little too rigid here. He has leveled up here... while he may have plateaued or even down shifted a bit, its tough to give him a perfectly fair evaluation of what he can or is here. I think of it kinda like OKC or Orlando... they kept helpful young vets around even when trying to lose. Kept some around for later. Worst case Sexton plays well and wins a few extra games... naturally if he is playing that well his value should increase or maybe just his chances of being given more opportunities here would jump up. Until you know what the cap space brings, especially for us, I think the mystery bag is overrated.

Maybe by the trade deadline I'd be ready to punt... but I think that deal is always going to be there unless he gets hurt. In which case... he helps the tank by being hurt.

He leveled up last year and the Jazz obviously still don't believe in him. If I had to guess nobody else in the league does either. I don't think there is a deal available for any positive value or he'd already be gone. There MIGHT be a deal for expirings, but we don't know that. All I know is that right now, Sexton is clearly producing negative value for the franchise and unlike Lauri he does not have much promise of future value for the franchise. At maximum, we are losing the bird rights to a future 6th man the coach hates anyways.