2024 NBA Draft Mega Thread

[KqWIN]

Yes - access is great. If I have access for a month to a personal trainer I will improve my health. If I have access to that person every day and am constantly working with them it absolutely will make a bigger difference. As a team I want the guy in house every day. Might also save dudes going to the Fultz shot dr.

You are not an NBA player. Comparing yourself to them does not have the effect you think it does lol. These guys have their literal team, as in the one they play for, and their personal team, as in the guys they choose to put around them everyday (could be the same) all day everyday. Their ability to develop shooting is not due to a gap in coaching.

I don’t care that an article was written about whoever or that this certain trainer has an IG following and that’s why we know them. We can agree to disagree….but there is no “shot doctor” who has the special sauce that will make the difference.

I refuse to believe it’s the difference in shooting coaches that makes players better shooters. It’s the innate potential to improve + work out put into improving.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Guys like Brickley, Hanlen, and Lethal Shooter have massive social media followings, brand deals, etc along with working with the top tier pros and celebrity clients. I have no idea how much they make, but I would think it's over 2 million a year. I would also assume being part of a team would limit their entrepreneur abilities to market themselves. They also dont have to live in OKC or Salt Lake City.

Chip and Vinson should go private then. I am sure there are a ton of side hustle camps and **** even working with a team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You are not an NBA player. Comparing yourself to them does not have the effect you think it does lol. These guys have their literal team, as in the one they play for, and their personal team, as in the guys they choose to put around them everyday (could be the same) all day everyday. Their ability to develop shooting is not due to a gap in coaching.

I don’t care that an article was written about whoever or that this certain trainer has an IG following and that’s why we know them. We can agree to disagree….but there is no “shot doctor” who has the special sauce that will make the difference.

I refuse to believe it’s the difference in shooting coaches that makes players better shooters. It’s the innate potential to improve + work out put into improving.

HH loves comparing his athletic life to NBA players, it's the funniest thing.

I'm sure there are a group of assistants/skill trainers who are better than others at coaching players to be shooters. I just doubt that it's some super small exclusive group. NBA players have done an incredibly ****ing good job of improving their shooting over the last 10 years so it's crazy to think teams arent investing heavily into this. It's not like it's 2013 and we are a team behind the curve on the shooting era. Until I see some wild regressions or stagnations on multiple players, I just dont see the issue. Everyone on Utah has gotten better at shooting for the most part.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You are not an NBA player. Comparing yourself to them does not have the effect you think it does lol. These guys have their literal team, as in the one they play for, and their personal team, as in the guys they choose to put around them everyday (could be the same) all day everyday. Their ability to develop shooting is not due to a gap in coaching.

I don’t care that an article was written about whoever or that this certain trainer has an IG following and that’s why we know them. We can agree to disagree….but there is no “shot doctor” who has the special sauce that will make the difference.

I refuse to believe it’s the difference in shooting coaches that makes players better shooters. It’s the innate potential to improve + work out put into improving.

Was merely giving an example of something irl... not trying to compare myself lol.

Not everyone has the Donny Mitchell team around them. There will be different levels of teaching and different philosophies... coaches are like any teacher. Some of the dudes around these guys become the actual problems. They may have the same curriculum but may be better at teaching it. Is every head coach the same? Do any have the secret sauce? Why are some wildly successful and others not so much. I mean NBA teams copy playbooks and all sorts of ****. Why doesn't every coach and their team of assistants always get the best out of the players?

Believe what you want. There are MANY factors that can affect how successful a player is at learning shooting or any other skill. If coaching is 10th on the list of important things... cool I would invest a ton. If its 3rd on the list... cool I would invest a ton.

And I don't know what we are or aren't doing. We've had guys improve here.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I'm not concerned about his shot at all. In highschool he seemed to have a ton of confidence in his outside shot and I think with an offseason of getting up a ton of shots he will be back to that level.

My issues with Castle:
** His athleticism won't be a big advantage for him at the NBA level.
** He probably won't get to the rim as easily. I get that he's got a mid-range game, but those aren't considered high-value looks.
** He's not a lead ball handler who beats defenders at this stage, though he is a ball mover. He would likely play off the ball for most teams and secondary playmake.
** He's a reluctant shooter from distance at the current stage. Teams will probably sag on him and dare him to shoot until he makes them guard.

I think he'll be a solid player overall. I just don't think he's a definite starter and a top-10 guy. I think he's more of a mid-teens or maybe late-teens guy. I think it would be hard to draft Castle ahead of someone like Knecht or Filipowski who have clear, high-value roles and a definite path to becoming starters. Now if there's just something special about the way Castle competes, and you think he can develop himself into the next Jimmy Butler, then great. I just think that's a risk that pushes him a bit later in the draft. And outside of that scenario happening, I'm wondering where's the upside? Is he Bruce Brown? Is he Justise Winslow?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

HH loves comparing his athletic life to NBA players, it's the funniest thing.

Wasn't really a comparison.. could have said anyone hires a trainer long term vs going to a bootcamp for a few weeks will realize benefits. This is not something I have even done in real life. But I get that you are obsessed with me and finding some fault in everything I say.

 

[KqWIN]

Was merely giving an example of something irl... not trying to compare myself lol.

Not everyone has the Donny Mitchell team around them. There will be different levels of teaching and different philosophies... coaches are like any teacher. Some of the dudes around these guys become the actual problems. They may have the same curriculum but may be better at teaching it. Is every head coach the same? Do any have the secret sauce? Why are some wildly successful and others not so much. I mean NBA teams copy playbooks and all sorts of ****. Why doesn't every coach and their team of assistants always get the best out of the players?

Believe what you want. There are MANY factors that can affect how successful a player is at learning shooting or any other skill. If coaching is 10th on the list of important things... cool I would invest a ton. If its 3rd on the list... cool I would invest a ton.

And I don't know what we are or aren't doing. We've had guys improve here.

Too each their own… I have an extremely hard time believing it’s access to coaching that makes NBA able to develop or not.

HH loves comparing his athletic life to NBA players, it's the funniest thing.

I'm sure there are a group of assistants/skill trainers who are better than others at coaching players to be shooters. I just doubt that it's some super small exclusive group. NBA players have done an incredibly ****ing good job of improving their shooting over the last 10 years so it's crazy to think teams arent investing heavily into this. It's not like it's 2013 and we are a team behind the curve on the shooting era. Until I see some wild regressions or stagnations on multiple players, I just dont see the issue. Everyone on Utah has gotten better at shooting for the most part.

My thoughts exactly. I just find it hard to believe that NBA aren’t mining gold when they could. It’s not like wealthy/poor adolescents having different access to training and opportunities. It’s sure as hell not like you or I having access to a good personal trainer haha. This is the NBA. Everybody has access. If each team’s shot doctor had such a big impact, it would not be some unknown thing.

It honestly kind of reminds me of when P3 was being shoved down our throats. What was that, 5+ years ago? Like I’m sure that is actually a good sports performance program which has helped players improved. But I stg Locke was treating it like witchcraft. In reality, the reason we knew about them is because they were the best at producing headlines and things to talk about. Grayson Allen having soft hand pads and ****. P3 probably does good work, but their impact was almost certainly overstated. Getting back to your initial point, I think marketing is the major thing at play.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Get Collin Murray Boyles with a shooting guru tho.

If he had any kind of jumper he's an interesting prospect. Absolutely bullied Arkansas today. None of what he did would really work in the NBA, but he's very good at it.

 

[sip]

My issues with Castle:
** His athleticism won't be a big advantage for him at the NBA level.
** He probably won't get to the rim as easily. I get that he's got a mid-range game, but those aren't considered high-value looks.
** He's not a lead ball handler who beats defenders at this stage, though he is a ball mover. He would likely play off the ball for most teams and secondary playmake.
** He's a reluctant shooter from distance at the current stage. Teams will probably sag on him and dare him to shoot until he makes them guard.

I think he'll be a solid player overall. I just don't think he's a definite starter and a top-10 guy. I think he's more of a mid-teens or maybe late-teens guy. I think it would be hard to draft Castle ahead of someone like Knecht or Filipowski who have clear, high-value roles and a definite path to becoming starters. Now if there's just something special about the way Castle competes, and you think he can develop himself into the next Jimmy Butler, then great. I just think that's a risk that pushes him a bit later in the draft. And outside of that scenario happening, I'm wondering where's the upside? Is he Bruce Brown? Is he Justise Winslow?

I wouldn't project him to the level of Jimmy Butler but I think he can be a Josh Howard caliber of player with a little more playmaking chops.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Too each their own… I have an extremely hard time believing it’s access to coaching that makes NBA able to develop or not.

Its not a yes or no... like Kawhi may be awesome without Chip... he may not have been as awesome or as awesome as quick. Maybe his sauce is getting buy in but to assume the stuff has no impact or no variance in quality and just assume "well his PR guy is the reason he's so awesome lol" is pretty silly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My issues with Castle:
** His athleticism won't be a big advantage for him at the NBA level.
** He probably won't get to the rim as easily. I get that he's got a mid-range game, but those aren't considered high-value looks.
** He's not a lead ball handler who beats defenders at this stage, though he is a ball mover. He would likely play off the ball for most teams and secondary playmake.
** He's a reluctant shooter from distance at the current stage. Teams will probably sag on him and dare him to shoot until he makes them guard.

I think he'll be a solid player overall. I just don't think he's a definite starter and a top-10 guy. I think he's more of a mid-teens or maybe late-teens guy. I think it would be hard to draft Castle ahead of someone like Knecht or Filipowski who have clear, high-value roles and a definite path to becoming starters. Now if there's just something special about the way Castle competes, and you think he can develop himself into the next Jimmy Butler, then great. I just think that's a risk that pushes him a bit later in the draft. And outside of that scenario happening, I'm wondering where's the upside? Is he Bruce Brown? Is he Justise Winslow?

I really dont have a great read on his athleticism currently. I think I think more of it than you do though. I also know he was dealing with knee issues early in the year. He has pretty excellent transition numbers which usually point towards being very athletic.

I really dont think he will have much of an issue getting to the rim in the NBA. He's got such a great body and for his size he is a pretty good ball-handler. Maybe he isnt a lead handler right away, but I think he could get there. Anyone the Jazz draft outside of Knecht is probably going to spend a lot of time in the G-League.

I think saying he is a late teens guy is just wild though, especially in this draft.

 

[idiot]

Just curious -- how do we interpret Derrick White in light of this shooting guru stuff? (big jump up in 3 after leaving Spurs, where he was mediocre for several years)