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I'm a fan of Cody Williams, but IDK, I don't see him as having a ton of upside for scoring. Don't see an assertive player and the shot is mediocre. See someone who is probably going to fit in and be kind of a 3&D type with his unique trait being the ability to attack the rim off the dribble in closeout situations or rotation situations. Don't see the primary creation upside.


I think he’s fine….but my concern is that all he can do is score. He’s a TJ Warren type prospect for me. It wouldn’t surprise me if he eventually develops into a decent scorer like TJ and that has value…but he doesn’t offer much else. The scoring I see, but like yourself I don’t see any peripheral skills. As was the case at Colorado, he may be able to score efficiently in the NBA but without a major impact. I like Cody for his ability to get to the hoop and finish….but if you like him because there’s a 10% chance he’s Shai you’re out of your mind.

I will say…this Shai stuff makes me roll my eyes. Used to be Kawhi, now it’s Shai. It’s one of the dumbest things we do. It is not convincing and has the opposite effect as intended.

Also, I don’t really care if Cody was seen as number one at some point. There’s like 5+ guys who were seen as potential number one at some point.
 
I think he’s fine….but my concern is that all he can do is score. He’s a TJ Warren type prospect for me. It wouldn’t surprise me if he eventually develops into a decent scorer like TJ and that has value…but he doesn’t offer much else. The scoring I see, but like yourself I don’t see any peripheral skills. As was the case at Colorado, he may be able to score efficiently in the NBA but without a major impact. I like Cody for his ability to get to the hoop and finish….but if you like him because there’s a 10% chance he’s Shai you’re out of your mind.

I will say…this Shai stuff makes me roll my eyes. Used to be Kawhi, now it’s Shai. It’s one of the dumbest things we do. It is not convincing and has the opposite effect as intended.

Also, I don’t really care if Cody was seen as number one at some point. There’s like 5+ guys who were seen as potential number one at some point.

Shall I take a moment and explain to you and Cy what a '10% probability' means? It means that it's possible, but also very unlikely.

There. You're welcome. It's not the same as categorically proclaiming that Cody is the next SGA.

NBA teams are trying to project the futures of young, raw players. They're dealing with different degrees of uncertainty and probability. They're making investments based on perceived risk and reward. If Cody Williams becomes an All Star, it will be because he's a long, skilled, high-impact, two-way guard. If he doesn't become an All Star, he can still provide value as a defender, ball mover and somewhat versatile scorer.

If you compare him to a player like, say, Stephon Castle, there might be a 10% chance that Castle develops into a hard-nosed, two-way wing like Jimmy Butler. However, that outcome is also very unlikely, and meanwhile there's a solid chance (40%, 50% ??) that Castle never becomes a reliable enough shooter to play starter minutes. Nonetheless, there are plenty of people who think Castle is worth a top 5 or 6 pick in this draft.

At the end of the day, teams drafting in the top 10 are probably drafting for upside. Cody looks to have as much upside as just about anyone in this draft. Someone is about to draft Tidjane Salaun based on his perceived upside as well, when Salaun hasn't actually done much if anything that Kevin Knox can't do. Such is life, when you're chasing upside.
 
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I keep hearing that Dillingham is too small. Mike Conley has had a great career as another tiny point guard so I wanted to compare their combine measurements. Interesting.

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Cody Williams was consensus top 4 on several draft sites (incl. NbaDraftroom, Yahoo and Rafael Barlowe's NBA BigBoard), along with Sarr, Risacher and Topic up until late January or early February.
Then Cody had injury issues.
Then the UK guards gained prominence.
Then Buzelis had a handful of better games.
Then the UConn guys had their post-season run.

See where Cody goes in this draft. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he makes it to #10.
Let's operate in the present
 
Let's operate in the present

Where would you rank Keyonte George in his draft class today? Would it be the 6-8 range, where he was generally ranked during the first half of his college season? Or would it be in the 12-16 range, where he was ranked at the time of the draft last year, after he got hurt and had a somewhat disappointing 2nd half of his college season? If you believe that Keyonte should be on the 2nd All Rookie team, then probably he should be ranked in the 6-8 range, which was his earlier ranking.

I'm saying that basically the same thing is happening with Cody Williams, who got hurt and had a somewhat disappointing 2nd half to his college season.
 
Where would you rank Keyonte George in his draft class today? Would it be the 6-8 range, where he was generally ranked during the first half of his college season? Or would it be in the 12-16 range, where he was ranked at the time of the draft last year, after he got hurt and had a somewhat disappointing 2nd half of his college season? If you believe that Keyonte should be on the 2nd All Rookie team, then probably he should be ranked in the 6-8 range, which was his earlier ranking.

I'm saying that basically the same thing is happening with Cody Williams, who got hurt and had a somewhat disappointing 2nd half to his college season.
But this draft is considered much weaker than last years draft.
 
But this draft is considered much weaker than last years draft.

At the top of the draft, it is. But the idea here is that Williams was once considered a top-5 guy, then he faded in the 2nd half of his college season, while other guys gained visibility. Some of that is now correcting. For example, Dillingham probably isn't going in the top 5-7 range. Who knows where Castle will go (though it seems like he's trying to steer himself to San Antonio). Clingan might ultimately go at #7 instead of top 4. And so on. Oftentimes, high-level prospects have a bad or underwhelming stretch and they get misplaced due to recency bias.

Look, Cody Williams isn't the b-all, end-all. In a stronger draft, he probably would go in the 8-12 range. It's just that in this particular draft class, he does actually stand out near the top for me.
 
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