25% left of obamas 8 year EVIL reign!!!!!

[Harambe]

Right…and the guy who said that we had 57 states is so much more "intelligent".

I'd trust 57 states more than surplus to dramatic deficit.

 

[John Crotty]

Right…and the guy who said that we had 57 states is so much more "intelligent".

If only we had almost every single word we speak as public record, and all of it taken literally and likely out of context. The great "quotes" we would get attributed to us.

 

[Hantlers]

If only we had almost every single word we speak as public record, and all of it taken literally and likely out of context. The great "quotes" we would get attributed to us.

I would sound so much more stupid than I already do.

 

[Deleted member 365]

There's hardly any difference in Bush and Obama, just the letter behind the name.

Both allowed for too much spending, both allowed for too much government, and both allowed for the loss of personal liberty.

Is he has bad as a lot of the right wants us to think he is? No. Is he as good as most of the left wants us to think he is? No. Personally, I view him as below average, but that's just me. All presidents are pretty much the same anymore anyways, doesn't matter which party they're running for.

Hardly any difference?

Do you honestly think Bush would have pushed for health care reform?
Do you think Bush would have allowed his tax cuts to expire?
Do you think Bush would have cut deficit spending? In particular, defense?
Do you think Bush wouldn't have jumped at the opportunity to become (more) involved in the Arab Spring?

those are the top 4 things that Obama has passed/done and been most criticized by the right for.

If there isn't any difference between Bush and Obama, then why does the right claim that he's the most "liberal" President ever? A President who is looking to revolutionize this country? Why did they elect Bush (twice) if he were passing a socialist agenda?

Either the right likes socialism, as long as it's a republican in charge. Or Obama really isn't like Bush. You can't have it both ways.

 

[franklin]

Blaming/supporting a president for the entirety of the economy is kind of like blaming a president for the gas prices. There are little things they can do to help it, but overall, not very much.

And like you blaming Obama for deficit spending as if it were equivalent in any way to Bush's deficit spending.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Anyone who thinks the US President is dumb or hates them seems very ignorant to me. No matter who the president is you hear people saying what an idiot they are and what terrible people they are, that makes you sound very unintelligent.

Anyone who thinks they could do a much better job than the current president is out in the night.

People do not become president of the US that are stupid.

Disagreeing with policies is fine its part of our culture. Hating someone that you do not know or have any understanding of why they made certain decisions is ignorant.

Presidents have people around them that are some of the best in their respective fields in the world studying and advising each president on the best course of action. They are very educated in the decisions they make. That does not mean you cannot have a difference in opinion but if you can not respect the decision made then you clearly do not have the ability to see things from both perspectives and see that they are not just guessing they are making informed educated decisions.

People like this Dutch guy who made this thread are what's wrong with politics everywhere.

 

[DutchJazzer]

They are so similar policy wise. I dislike Obamas presidency for many of the same reasons I disliked Bushs.

@liberals Bush didn't use drones to kill US citizens Obama did. Patriot act alive and kickin. Huge expansion of spying on US citizens. He has a death list!

@conservatives. Bush bailed out the banks sure Obama runs huge deficits but Bush turned a surplus into huge deficits. The largest expansion of medicare ever at the time was bushes medicare part d prescription coverage.

The largest difference between them is rhetorical and yeah I prefer Obama in this regard but it is a superficial difference.

as far as we know bush did not execute american citizens.
OBAMA DID.

so obama is worse and went further.


heck even obama greatest accompliosment is in question.

catching sanataclause. i mean obama. how the hell do we know if that is real or just a hoax

 

[DutchJazzer]

Anyone who thinks the US President is dumb or hates them seems very ignorant to me. No matter who the president is you hear people saying what an idiot they are and what terrible people they are, that makes you sound very unintelligent.

Anyone who thinks they could do a much better job than the current president is out in the night.

People do not become president of the US that are stupid.

Disagreeing with policies is fine its part of our culture. Hating someone that you do not know or have any understanding of why they made certain decisions is ignorant.

Presidents have people around them that are some of the best in their respective fields in the world studying and advising each president on the best course of action. They are very educated in the decisions they make. That does not mean you cannot have a difference in opinion but if you can not respect the decision made then you clearly do not have the ability to see things from both perspectives and see that they are not just guessing they are making informed educated decisions.

People like this Dutch guy who made this thread are what's wrong with politics everywhere.

sometimes it is not about making the correct educated decision.

all governments all over the world did "stupid" things to increase their power.

u are dumb for absolutely trusting you are government.

so yeah everyu single civil libirty and constitutional raping the government does is a bad deccision.

 

[LogGrad98]

Ya i agree.
No wars, no risky policies, the economy was doing good. He was charming.

Other than lewinskigate he didnt have any blemishes during his rule.

Selective memory?

Somalia
Invasion of Haiti
Bosnia
Kosovo

 

[LogGrad98]

Odd, that doesn't happen to me. I wonder why that is?

Obama was good for the social safety net, OK for the economy and foreign affairs, and really, really bad for personal liberties. Overall, a B, I guess.

So social safety net >>>>>>>>>>> personal liberties. Looks like economy and foreign affairs are a push.

Interesting implied weighting factors when (good)(X) + (really really bad)(Y) = B.

 

[Ron Mexico]

sometimes it is not about making the correct educated decision.

all governments all over the world did "stupid" things to increase their power.

u are dumb for absolutely trusting you are government.

so yeah everyu single civil libirty and constitutional raping the government does is a bad deccision.

Never said I trust them or agree with them because I do not.

 

[One Brow]

So social safety net >>>>>>>>>>> personal liberties. Looks like economy and foreign affairs are a push.

Interesting implied weighting factors when (good)(X) + (really really bad)(Y) = B.

Well, I'd probably havle those ">"s, but yes. Poverty takes away freedom. So, I took an A, C, C, and an F and turned it into a B. Let's call it dropping the lowest grade.