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3-wing lineups are a bandaid + we shouldn't wait for Dante

Siro said:
If Dante + asset can net us someone like Dennis Schroder, then we should do it. I actually don't see how Exum can play "either guard spot" since he's not a good shooter and hasn't shown to possess any offensive instincts. I know I'll get crucified for saying this, but I think the Jazz should take a serious look at trading Exum for a decent PG.
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I agree. Though I would hold out for more than a "decent" pg
 
MDAV28 said:
Sure, I consider our core 6 those 3 with Exum, Burks, and Hood.
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Yeah, I'm sorry but you can't really call Exum a core player when he's still a huge question mark. I'm not eager to trade him right now, feel like we could be looking pretty stupid down eh line if he explodes, but he is not part of this team's core. I think Burks is going to have a really good year and his success will surprise a lot of people outside of Utah and will be part of why I think the Jazz will overachieve, but he has not been one of our core players. Hood is in his second year. He looks good, I don't want to trade him, but he's not a core player.

Your idea of what a core is and mine are VERY different. I don't think there are many teams that have 6 core players. If a team really does have that many core, untouchable, franchise type players then they are a championship contender, no doubt. We're hoping the Jazz don't miss the playoffs this year. We are not on that level right now.
 
Gameface said:
If you don't mind me asking, who are the core-6?

I think we have three core players, Hayward, Favors and Gobert.

I love our team as a whole, but if I had to reduce it to our "core" I can't go very far past 3 guys.
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For me Favors, Hayward and Gobert shouldn't be traded.

Burks, Hood and Exum make me hesitant to see them in a trade. But I'd support one that brought back a great player. I'd prefer to use some mix of Burke, Lyles, Booker, Ingles, Millsap, Pleiss, Withey, Johnson, cash, 2nd rounders and 1st rounders. But for the right deal these three can be mixed in as well.

So:

untradable - Hayward, Gobert, Favors

hesitant - Hood, Burks, Exum

Sure - rest of roster and assets
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, I'm sorry but you can't really call Exum a core player when he's still a huge question mark. I'm not eager to trade him right now, feel like we could be looking pretty stupid down eh line if he explodes, but he is not part of this team's core. I think Burks is going to have a really good year and his success will surprise a lot of people outside of Utah and will be part of why I think the Jazz will overachieve, but he has not been one of our core players. Hood is in his second year. He looks good, I don't want to trade him, but he's not a core player.

Your idea of what a core is and mine are VERY different. I don't think there are many teams that have 6 core players. If a team really does have that many core, untouchable, franchise type players then they are a championship contender, no doubt. We're hoping the Jazz don't miss the playoffs this year. We are not on that level right now.
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Our differences in the ideas of a "core" probably stems from the fact I don't consider a core player untradeable. I maybe shouldn't have used the word "core" to describe the 6, I was trying to say trading one of those 6 players seems like a knee-jerk reaction to the Exum injury.

I mean trading Exum makes no sense unless Lindsay works some magic.. his value is not very high and really what team would trade us anything of value to us for him? I can't think of any.
 
The only point guard I can think that would really fit is George Hill. And I can't see him really being available.

In general

Favors, Hayward and Gobert can only be traded if we get a player better than they are.
Burks has value and his contract is low and locked in.
Exum and Lyles, I would hate to give up something when we already have it.

The problem is everyone else has very little trade value. So we are moving someone and draft picks.
 
Qman said:
The only point guard I can think that would really fit is George Hill. And I can't see him really being available.

In general

Favors, Hayward and Gobert can only be traded if we get a player better than they are.
Burks has value and his contract is low and locked in.
Exum and Lyles, I would hate to give up something when we already have it.

The problem is everyone else has very little trade value. So we are moving someone and draft picks.
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Hill would be awesome
 
The Jazz should be, and probably are, open to exploring any trade that makes the team definitively better. PG is far and away our weakest and least invested position, so it makes sense to explore trades there. If Exum turns out to be an impact player 1 - 2 seasons from now, we can deal with that luxury at that time.

But that said, the key question is -- who could the Jazz trade for? Who could we get via trade? Also, who might the Jazz target via free agency?

Personally, I think the Jazz would need to bring in a player of the caliber of Goran Dragic to make this existing group a contending team. There aren't many players like that available.
 
Siro said:
If Dante + asset can net us someone like Dennis Schroder, then we should do it. I actually don't see how Exum can play "either guard spot" since he's not a good shooter and hasn't shown to possess any offensive instincts. I know I'll get crucified for saying this, but I think the Jazz should take a serious look at trading Exum for a decent PG.
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The only thing you left out is Dante's trade value might be pretty damn high even with his injury. Add that to all the trade assets and you might be able to acquire something meaningful. I'm thinking Chris Paul because I want to act like a Laker fan.
 
I'm still meh on Dennis Schroeder. If we want a guy who passes, plays defense and can't really shoot, then we've already got Neto. He might become an adequate shooter in time.
 
franklin said:
The only thing you left out is Dante's trade value might be pretty damn high even with his injury. Add that to all the trade assets and you might be able to acquire something meaningful. I'm thinking Chris Paul because I want to act like a Laker fan.
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Yep. Burke has negative value, and a couple of late first round picks aren't enough to get us anyone worthwhile. Of course we'd be risking missing out on Dante becoming a franchise PG, but that's precisely why he has trade value. Nobody is giving us anything for our trash. A proven PG that can take our solid core to the next level is better than waiting for a few years on the hope that Dante becomes something special.
 
The reason you wait is simple. Every year some team at some point start to suck and decides to blow it up. You wait for this and then strike.
NO reason to give up extra assets especially when the Jazz may actually make the triple wing work.
 
Hmm... what is the trajectory of this team?

Not sure would I trade Exum before we know what he is. Last year he was passive and differed to the older players, which reminded me of Hayward's rookie season. If our trajectory is to compete for an 8 seed this year, then what exactly is the rush?

PGs are out there to be had. But it may take a minute until other teams are ready to deal. They want to see what they have, too. So the assets the Jazz do have may not mean anything just yet.

What kind of player do you expect to get back for Exum? Or for Burks or Hood, for that matter?
 
nateboz said:
The reason you wait is simple. Every year some team at some point start to suck and decides to blow it up. You wait for this and then strike.
NO reason to give up extra assets especially when the Jazz may actually make the triple wing work.
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Agree here. What evidence do we have that the triple wing can actually be considered a "band-aid"?
 
I like dante a lot. I don't think the jazz should trade him. My reasoning is because he is a special player on the defensive end. Probably has potential to be the best defender at his position in the entire league, and can switch 1-3 fairly well.

Trade anyone outside of Hayward favors go gobert and Exum. Maybe hood and burks, but find someone that fits well.

Schroeder would be awesome and could probably play alongside Exum in the future.

Good thread NAOS.
 
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