Fair point.
3-wing lineups are a bandaid + we shouldn't wait for Dante
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Fair point.
FalseFlagg K
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I think people should actually remind themselves how long the Jazz have been a good team for ... what .. half a season ? With still nearly the youngest team in the league and all of a sudden it's time to panic and make a knee jerk reaction with the intent to contend immediately ??
The Exum injury is a bummer from the development point of view but i think it's too easy to get a little hysterical on what the team may or may not achieve this year. This may well be a mini version of last season, finding out exactly what you have on your hands and then starting the tinkering and building into serious playoff action from next year forth.
I'd much rather be patient and build a team that can then contend for years to come rather than wasting the opportunity by pressing the panic button about this particular season
The Exum injury is a bummer from the development point of view but i think it's too easy to get a little hysterical on what the team may or may not achieve this year. This may well be a mini version of last season, finding out exactly what you have on your hands and then starting the tinkering and building into serious playoff action from next year forth.
I'd much rather be patient and build a team that can then contend for years to come rather than wasting the opportunity by pressing the panic button about this particular season
Everything will sort itself out.
If we play the way we did to start both the Lakers games we'll be fine. That offense was smooth, and beautiful to watch.
If Burke regresses he's gone, and we'll bring in a vet.
Let's wait and see how this plays out.
If we play the way we did to start both the Lakers games we'll be fine. That offense was smooth, and beautiful to watch.
If Burke regresses he's gone, and we'll bring in a vet.
Let's wait and see how this plays out.
I'm feeling pretty good because like you say the offence was really smooth those first couple games. Quin actually seemed to back off and act like the Jazz were a vet team more concerned about resting players than ironing out bugs. It's been weird and I hope no one is actually hurt but it seems Quin is pretty comfy with his team as it is.
Game6Conley
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Few things on the PG situation.
-I still think the FO won't be as sad as you'd think if the team stumbles out of the gate(been saying that all off-season), this season is obviously the last chance to get a tank in.. The FO has 2 handfuls of ready-made excuses on deck(scapegoat, youth movement, "internal development", key injuries etc). The first 20 games are really a key for any good tank. I don't think the team can really compete with the upper echelon teams in a 7 game series, even in a best case scenario. so I can't blame them if they maneuver to pull the plug, it might be prudent. There's such quality young talent on the roster already it's easy to see that even with an underwhelming season, a few minor tweaks could end up with explosive results.
-It's unwise to jump to any negative conclusion on Burks at point, too small of a sample size, the potential is certainly there. Y'all want to call it '3-wings' so be it, he's playing point, because clearly he's not operating the same way as if he's in at SG... Calling him a PG increases his trade value, been trying to tell yall this for years. but keep calling him a wing I guess... he's more then capable of playing point, you'll see. Really think there aren't PG's in the league like Burks?? What about Jordan Clarkson, what about Tony Wroten.. ?? Burks is better then those 2.
-I posted a few years ago that Burks could have a Linsanity type impact at PG for the Jazz this season, and stand by that. With the Dante injury, and the payscale of the PG's rostered - he should have plenty of opportunity. I was assuming he'd be gaining experience running point last season though.
-The FO isn't going to go from turning down 10+ offers for the 13th pick, to take a 3rd PF on the depth chart, While passing on Cameron Payne. To then turn around and go pay a huge premium for Schroder - It's simply just not going to happen, the Risk/Reward doesn't make sense.
-Whats the saying? One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush?? The Jazz have gotta be looking at Trey and his restricted contract like that... If he can start out hot, it'd almost be difficult to calculate what that'd mean. I agree it's unlikely to play out that way, but I'd certainly argue its worth taking a wait and see approach. If they stumble out of the gate, every indication is a move will be made(will it be a power move or a stop-gap though???)..
-If Cameron Payne was the pick at #13, right now, he'd be viewed as the savior here, no doubt about it. Could never tell me otherwise... I got hassled plenty here about the idea of taking Payne 13th - I said with Payne the Jazz could catch lightning in a bottle.. Always said he could play with Dante too.
-I had Schroder as a top-5 pick in 2013 and the top PG in the draft, But I don't think trading for him is the greatest idea, its too late.(Though I did say pre-draft I'd have traded the #13 pick for him straight up).. The Hawks could almost ask for a D-Will type package.. I'd like to see the trade offers y'all are talking about too, I don't think its an easy trade to concoct.
-I still think the FO won't be as sad as you'd think if the team stumbles out of the gate(been saying that all off-season), this season is obviously the last chance to get a tank in.. The FO has 2 handfuls of ready-made excuses on deck(scapegoat, youth movement, "internal development", key injuries etc). The first 20 games are really a key for any good tank. I don't think the team can really compete with the upper echelon teams in a 7 game series, even in a best case scenario. so I can't blame them if they maneuver to pull the plug, it might be prudent. There's such quality young talent on the roster already it's easy to see that even with an underwhelming season, a few minor tweaks could end up with explosive results.
-It's unwise to jump to any negative conclusion on Burks at point, too small of a sample size, the potential is certainly there. Y'all want to call it '3-wings' so be it, he's playing point, because clearly he's not operating the same way as if he's in at SG... Calling him a PG increases his trade value, been trying to tell yall this for years. but keep calling him a wing I guess... he's more then capable of playing point, you'll see. Really think there aren't PG's in the league like Burks?? What about Jordan Clarkson, what about Tony Wroten.. ?? Burks is better then those 2.
-I posted a few years ago that Burks could have a Linsanity type impact at PG for the Jazz this season, and stand by that. With the Dante injury, and the payscale of the PG's rostered - he should have plenty of opportunity. I was assuming he'd be gaining experience running point last season though.
-The FO isn't going to go from turning down 10+ offers for the 13th pick, to take a 3rd PF on the depth chart, While passing on Cameron Payne. To then turn around and go pay a huge premium for Schroder - It's simply just not going to happen, the Risk/Reward doesn't make sense.
-Whats the saying? One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush?? The Jazz have gotta be looking at Trey and his restricted contract like that... If he can start out hot, it'd almost be difficult to calculate what that'd mean. I agree it's unlikely to play out that way, but I'd certainly argue its worth taking a wait and see approach. If they stumble out of the gate, every indication is a move will be made(will it be a power move or a stop-gap though???)..
-If Cameron Payne was the pick at #13, right now, he'd be viewed as the savior here, no doubt about it. Could never tell me otherwise... I got hassled plenty here about the idea of taking Payne 13th - I said with Payne the Jazz could catch lightning in a bottle.. Always said he could play with Dante too.
-I had Schroder as a top-5 pick in 2013 and the top PG in the draft, But I don't think trading for him is the greatest idea, its too late.(Though I did say pre-draft I'd have traded the #13 pick for him straight up).. The Hawks could almost ask for a D-Will type package.. I'd like to see the trade offers y'all are talking about too, I don't think its an easy trade to concoct.
da ThRONe
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This. Why is everybody panicking? The team has played 4 preseason games. Most of which was without a starter. The two games with staters the team looked pretty good. I'd say revisit this topic two weeks after the season opener.
MDAV28
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Can't wait. The whole season will be knee-jerk reaction threads. I'm thrilled our FO doesn't think that way.
NAOS
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I'm actually more like you than you realize. I think the pool of acceptable players is very shallow. AND, I think the prevailing tendency in the front office is TO STAY THE COURSE. That said, I do actually think that the hole at PG is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.
The reason I was an early-adopter of 3-wing lineups was because (a) I do believe that those solutions are the best WITH THE CURRENT ROSTER and (b) waiting for the jazz to make a trade is like watching paint dry.
Where I'm not similar to you is that I haven't been taking a dump inside this thread and saying "knee-jerk" a dozen times.
We could really use a point guard... one who can help us get some easier buckets. Assists are a clumsy statistic: they don't reveal how much assisting the scoring player got. Should Al Jefferson's kick out from the post for a three-point shot count in the same way as John Stockton's perfectly threaded PnR pass for a dunk? One scoring player gets way more help than the other. All of our core pieces are closer to Jefferson on this spectrum then they are to Stockton. Getting a skilled passer would be a huge boost for all of our players. Including Exum.
MDAV28
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Fair but again, WHO is this guy? What are we giving up for him? Anybody who watched last season could see that Exum is a skilled distributor, he's injured, it sucks, but trading a piece for this season (which I'm convinced we would have to do) is what the knee-jerk reaction is that I keep repeating.
NAOS
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top-notch post
MDAV28
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Well I appreciate the one name I guess, I'll hold out for the others?
As far as Augustin goes, I get it, veteran, stability at the point but first off, is he better than Burke? He probably is but is he considerably better? It's a legitimate question.
Also, what could OKC want from us? They're a contender, aka in win-now mode. Picks, salary dump, young developing players, etc. have less value to them than their backup PG. I just don't see the logistics of the trade for either side really. I'm open to hearing what you were thinking though.
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DJ Augustin is a pylon. So is Calderon, another name that has floated around. The obvious choice here is to let Burke and Neto fight for competent play until the ASB.
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Schröder (who is being overrated here) will not be traded until Teague is re-signed. We have a better chance going after Teague-- which again can be done at the end of this season.
As unsexy as it is, standing pat at PG is the best choice.
As unsexy as it is, standing pat at PG is the best choice.
NAOS
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it comes down to how much of that tax bill they're actually willing to pay + the development of Cameron Payne. I'd only take him if it were cheap.
I don't think he's as big of a pylon as Calderon.
It's possible that neither of those options are better than running Burks at the point.
You've been telling us a lot about young players for years. Let me know when you have your first correct prediction.
And he's off season experimenting too. Implementing an actual set offense was the biggest thing I wanted to see this season. It looks like we might have a bit more than outside pnrnprnrpnr that was absolute trash last season.
Oh yes, we are definitely knee jerking. Nobody ever thought of BAKETHATMOTHER****INGCAKE.
Shrooder isn't overrated. It's NAOS playing the King Cy caricature and a draft oof board joke.