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#44- Jazz at Kings Jan 17 at 8:00 pm Mtn. Are the Jazz over the Hill?

Ostertag>Duncan: Yeah I've always respected kings fans
Ostertag>Duncan: they're true fans
Zombie: When the kings are good Arco arena is ****ing lit
Ostertag>Duncan: yup
Witty: this aint the arco anymore
Witty: this is the ****ing sleeptrain
Ostertag>Duncan: King smoothie or some ****
Jazzta: and don't forget the hugh ovation to Stockton
Witty: oh wait they changed that
Ostertag>Duncan: wait they're sleepingtrain?
Witty: i think arco changed to sleeptrain before they moved areans
Witty: arenas
Witty: but sleeptrain is a worst name for a sports arena
MDAV28: Nice to see the Jazz hit open shots but this Kings defense is just depressing
MDAV28: Reminds me of the Al Jefferson days
Hekate: Kings came prepared for this game
Hekate: stepped up their tank game
Zombie: Oh yeah this is like the golden center or something
Ostertag>Duncan: tank vs tank and they came out swining
Ostertag>Duncan: swinging
Zombie: Forgot the kings got a new place
Ostertag>Duncan: Dang they really do come out to see this ****
Ostertag>Duncan: good on them. I guarantee we wouldn't have as many
MVP: Kings tank is juts better. Ours leaking oil.
JazzMan4Life: Tank lovers prepare yourselves, this is gonna happen a lot in Feb and March
Hekate: may be that's what counts as entertainment in Sacramento
Jazzta: It doesn't matter if they tank lol, they've been tanking for years
vegas: anybody else watching the sacramento feed?
MDAV28: Udoh running the break alright
Jazzta: Me
Jazz4ever: yep
Hekate: Don't really know anything about Sacramento lol
JazzMan4Life: Kings feed it great
vegas: The country night thing has been pretty good entertainment tbo
Witty: buddy hield = howard the duck
Jazzta: That move by Hood again
Ostertag>Duncan: What year was the last time the Kings were good? 2002?
yamers: they were good b4 they fired mike malone?
Ostertag>Duncan: Not really though, right?
jom2003: Great chance to deal Hood to Joerger


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yamers: they weren't top notc
yamers: but a solid 7-8 seed
jom2003: I bet Joerger would be after Hood like crazy this summer
Zombie: Christ they've been terrible for a super long time
yamers: then boogie went down with an injury
yamers: fired malone
Saint: maybe
Ostertag>Duncan: 15 years
Saint: the Kings dont have much space tho
yamers: and put CORBIN at the helm
yamers: lol
Ostertag>Duncan: they've essentially been ****
jom2003: might as well get something out of it instead of letting him walk for free
Zombie: Tony Jones just said on twitter that even with the number one pick Utah would have gone after Mitchell
Ostertag>Duncan: Easy to say now, no?
Jazz4ever: They'll get Harry Giles back in Feb, he could be good for them
MDAV28: Aka they would have traded back ha
Witty: tony jones must look into the future
Ostertag>Duncan: Like obviously that's the right answer to say at this point
Zombie: I mean, yeah, but I think he meant Utah was that sold on him to begin with
Zombie: Obvi they would have traded back
Saint: Harry Giles wasnt even good for Duke
Saint: idk if he is going to be good or even ever be healthy
Jazzta: Well, where would you guys put Mitchell in a re-draft?
Ostertag>Duncan: 1
Ostertag>Duncan: or 2 maybe
Zombie: Almost certainly number 1
yamers: keep it up BOG
Saint: Hood bleeding but no foul?
Saint: Ok
Zombie: Makes sense lol
Jazzta: I would agree
Ellipse: They were scrambling for a rebound when Hood was scratched.
Jazzta: I don't take Simmons over Mitchell
MDAV28: I actually think Tatum is in discussion for number 1
MDAV28: Simmons was last draft
Jazzta: just his attitude puts him over Simmons
MT: I think him being better than Simmons puts him over Simmons
Ostertag>Duncan: Tatum's size makes him appealing
str8line: I'd take Donovan. He's special for a lot of reasons.


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MVP: Tatum is not as good as Mitchell.
Ostertag>Duncan: but I still like Mitchell the most though
Ostertag>Duncan: and think Mitchell will have the better career
yamers: id take rubio #1
Jazz4ever: Tatum is good, but playing the best sytem in basketball
MDAV28: Idk Tatum is legit but he definitely doesn't have as much load on his shoulders
Ostertag>Duncan: #1 tank commander draft
yamers: lottery secured for a decade
MVP: This Bogdanovic kid is good too. Just give him minutes,
Jazz4ever: Look what happened to Crowder and IT after they left the system
Saint: they do give Bogdan minutes, he's a starter
Ostertag>Duncan: Mitchell just has more of a it factor when he has the ball
Saint: What happened to IT?
MVP: whats with these cowbells in Sacto
JazzMan4Life: DM obviously having the best season so far.\
Saint: He just came back lmao
Ostertag>Duncan: you can just tell he's special watching him for 5 seconds
Saint: it's goign to take time for him to get his groove back
MVP: are they know for dairy or beef industry?
MDAV28: Tatum is also like what 2-3 years younger than Mitch?
MVP: known
str8line: Hood and Jingles playing well in a game we needed to lose. At this point let Donovan rule.
JazzMan4Life: Simmons is awesome and Tatum looks really good, but c'mon
Saint: a yaer and a half I believe
MDAV28: Oh less than I thought
Saint: Simmons is a near elite defender already tho
yamers: LMAO
Saint: and he puts up crazy box score stats
Jazzta: DM gonna spoil us!
str8line: Tough choice between Simmons and Don but Simmons is a douche.
Saint: Mitchell going to have to get over 20 ppg, his scoring advantage has to be more than a couple points
vegas: DM is the full package
Saint: to overcome Simmons stat stuffing (while also scoring a good amount)
MDAV28: I think Mitch has already proven he is a 20 ppg scorer
MT: From November 11 onward
Zombie: Idk, ROY almost always goes to best offensive rookie
MT: Donovan has been averaging well over 20 ppg
MT: it's those first few weeks that killed him
Witty: kings authentic fans are getting unruly
Saint: yeha, but the end of the season stats have to say 20+


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Zombie: Donovan has the sexy factor edge too
yamers: KINGS YAMMERS
Witty: i think i heard boos dare i say
MT: agree
yamers: THE DARK DIMENSION
Saint: he cant just barely be beating Simmons in scoring
str8line: Donovan could have a 50 pt. game before the seasons over.
Saint: and Simmons have those other crazy stats
yamers: som,ebody just shouted
Witty: i think i saw some gargoyles in the audience there
vegas: Mitchell going to have to win by a landslide to get the votes. Utah always with the disrespect in these things
yamers: VIVEK U ****IN POONJABI U COULDNT TAKE MITCHEL BUT U GOT
MT: yea for ROTY that's definitely true
yamers: STAUSKUS
Jazzta: They must be giving out tickets in Sactown
yamers: was rly racist
yamers: appalling
Zombie: What is Simmons pts/game?
Jazzta: Paid by the city
Saint: I think 18
Witty: kings announcer comparing bogdoniv to mitchell
Saint: no, 17
yamers: for the shilling
JazzMan4Life: This is fun, king'
JazzMan4Life: s guys loving DM
Zombie: Yeah I think you are right that Don will probably have to get to 20+ for sure
Witty: mitchell going to boston in 2024
str8line: Young King.
Saint: but he avearges 2 steals, a block, and has elite advanced defensive stats (though I doubt that matters that much to most voters)
Jazzta: Witty don't even...
Archie: Mitchell was 2 for 10 from 3 last game. He's taken 2 3s this game. Love it.
str8line: That was pretty by Tank God.
MDAV28: Well the Kings defense is really bad
MDAV28: He can get to the rim at will
str8line: He's so smart.
Saint: Right now Mitchell averages 2 more points per game, it probably has to be at least 4
str8line: Damn, we have 107 pts with 5 min. left.
Zombie: I think if Donovan is solidly over 20 pts a game and continues providing a highlight reel every night hell get the votes
str8line: Referring to Mitchel not Rubio.
str8line: But Simmons is getting press by being a douche.


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Observations from the game live...

DM is really good at basketball.
Ricky did not smile all night... I’m not sure why he isn’t happy and it kind of bummed me out.
DM is good at basketball.
Rodney Hood loves to tease Dave Joeger.
Dm is good at basketball.
Kings are super bad and completely nonchalant... goofing around the whole pregame... not taking it serious at all.
DM is good at basketball
 
Saint: I mean, it's relative to what Simmons avearges
yamers: i figured out why mitchel gets posted in the corner
Saint: what if Simmons finishes the year at 18-8-8-2-1
yamers: to get him rest
yamers: notice when he gets winded he turns it over
Saint: aand his team makes the playoffs
str8line: That 3 by Mitch was in and out.
yamers: unlucky
str8line: He has a beautiful shot.
Ostertag>Duncan: Rubio in, we still have a shot to blow this
Jazz4ever: People take the ROY award too seriously
Ostertag>Duncan: Yamers send in the tanks
str8line: In (Tank) God we trust.
Zombie: Idk I think it's interesting. I'm not going to be super upset if he doesn't win it
Jazz4ever: Such greats as MCW and Brogdon have won it
Zombie: Like, Simmons will have made a solid case for it as well
MDAV28: I think Jazz fans enjoy getting the recognition more than anything
Saint: we have nothing else besides the ROTY year award, dont be a debbie downer
Ostertag>Duncan: Yeah it's more for us. And if Mitchell doesn't get it, we'll just complain because were Utah
str8line: Damn, those Mitchell highlights.
Ellipse: No, not interested in recognition, we're interested in having one of the best in the NBA.
Saint: And I already went through all the ROTY awards over the past 15 years
MT: if Mitchell doesn't win it
Saint: about half the time the ROTY winners turns out to be the best player from the class years down the line
Saint: or at least arguably the best
MT: regardless if Mitchell wins it or not
str8line: Off the glass for 30!
yamers: BAHAHAH
MT: he'd be my prediction to be the best player from the class going forward
MT: so i won't sweat it too much but it would be cool
str8line: Don 12/14 from 2pt. Ridiculous.
MDAV28: Yeah definitely seems like it'll be him or Tatum
MDAV28: We haven't seen Isaac tho yet have we?
yamers: THERE IS THE
yamers: YELPPPPPPPP
yamers: lmao
Ostertag>Duncan: Here's a question for you guys. Is the Markelle Fultz problems more physical or mental?
Witty: fox in the box lmfao
Zombie: Holy ****. Utah hasn't beat a nonplayoff team since November lol
Zombie: I havent heard of Fultz having mental problems, is that a thing?


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MT: feels like we never play nonplayoff teams
Ostertag>Duncan: Yes
MDAV28: I think the physical injury messed him up mentally so both
Ostertag>Duncan: It's theorized that Fultz's problems mainly stem from psychological problems
Zombie: Oh. Interesting. Well I figure we should let the kid play and figure it out
Witty: fultz has been diagnosed with being a mushroom
str8line: Have you guys seen Fultz's shot lately? Terrifying.
Ostertag>Duncan: It's like Chuck's golf swing
Archie: Mitchell is special, but so is Simmons and Tatum. I love Tatum's game. Quiet assasin.
Ostertag>Duncan: all mental
str8line: Perfect comparison OD.
Witty: he probably has a bunch of people saying he needs to shoot it differently
Jazz4ever: I saw about 10 seconds of footage, of course the media will jump all over it to make a story
MDAV28: I mean a jumpshot is a jumpshot
Archie: Fultz messed up his shoulder. Doesn't even have a high release from 18 out. His 15 footer looks noice right now though.
Ostertag>Duncan: They've changed it though MVP
Archie: They didn't change it. Lol
Saint: What if Bogdon actually came to the Kings when they had Cousins?
Archie: He's hurt.
Ostertag>Duncan: Yes they did
Archie: Dude...
Ostertag>Duncan: they changed it before he got hurt
Ostertag>Duncan: dude
str8line: Mitchell with 34 and he got fouled, scored, and they didn't call it.
MDAV28: Nah he was hurt and then changed his shot
Saint: lmao this is too ez for The Oven
Ostertag>Duncan: At least front what I've read and heard they changed in in teh summer league
Archie: https://youtu.be/bj32X-L5-DQ
Ostertag>Duncan: before he was hurt. Could be wrong
MDAV28: Yeah due to his injury
MDAV28: He was hurt in the summer
Jazzta: 34 for #45
Ostertag>Duncan: So instead of rehabbing him they decided to completely change his mechanics
Ostertag>Duncan: brilliant
Saint: no
Zombie: There some talk that him changing his shot is what caused/exacerbated his injury
MDAV28: I think the story is he changed his shot without informing anbody
Saint: The thing (reported) is that his shot was putting pressure on his shoulder
Saint: and that is waht caused the injury
Ostertag>Duncan: for real?


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Handlogten's Heros said:
Observations from the game live...

DM is really good at basketball.
Ricky did not smile all night... I’m not sure why he isn’t happy and it kind of bummed me out.
DM is good at basketball.
Rodney Hood loves to tease Dave Joeger.
Dm is good at basketball.
Kings are super bad and completely nonchalant... goofing around the whole pregame... not taking it serious at all.
DM is good at basketball
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Did you speak with GH?
 
Saint: yeah
Archie: They may have worked or adjusted it (honestly don't know) but his shoulder injury ****ed it up.
Saint: that's why they are trying to change his shot
Ostertag>Duncan: So he plays his whole life with it and he's fine, but suddenly it's causing him injuries
Saint: IDK if that is actual fact, but it's what they are saying
Saint: I mean, I guess it's possible
Zombie: Yeah there has been some goofy **** coming out of Philly about him
Saint: I think it makes as much sense as anyhing else
Ostertag>Duncan: All I know is it's weird ****
Saint: because if he hurt it some other way, you'd think it be some kind of surgery
Jazz4ever: Has Fultz said anything publicly about it
Saint: like if he fell on it or something
Ron: Imagine if 76ers had taken Tatum instead. That would be a scary lineup. I think Fultz could turn out okay, I guess we will see in a few years.
yamers: so
Ostertag>Duncan: Yeah I think it was a mistep
yamers: national game friday
yamers: jazz vs knicks at home
yamers: THE RETURN OF
Ostertag>Duncan: they had a chance to have a enormous lineup that could keep up with small ball
yamers: kanter and....wait for it..
yamers: TREY ****ING BURKE
DownUnder: i wonder if we'll get to see Donovan run a pnr against Trey Burke and Enes Kanter lol
Ostertag>Duncan: Trey's got the AI dreads going
Jazz4ever: DM will posterize Kanter
str8line: We shot almost 57% for the game. Rodney was on point.
Ostertag>Duncan: stipulation: KINGS
str8line: Don 14/19, 3 stl, 3 ast
Ron: Simmons-Covington-Tatum-Saric-Embiid is a scary tall athletic shooting starting lineup that is very young.
vegas: Rodney with a good response tonight
Ron: Yeah, we should probably BOO Hood every so often to keep him playing hard and motivated...
vegas: ha
str8line: Trey Burculosis.
Ostertag>Duncan: lol
Ostertag>Duncan: Yeah I agree Ron
Ostertag>Duncan: that would have been the championship team they were looking for
Archie: Mitchell should be casted as the next Jedi.
MT: tony jones saying the jazz would've drafted Donovan Mitchell if they had the first pick
MT: if so, that's pretty amazing that they saw his potential and nobody else did
Witty: i bet tony jones as a reverse crystal ball too
MT: he was saying that based on insider information though


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infection said:
Did you speak with GH?
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I yelled at him and told him we still loved him... maybe that is why Rubio was so sad. Hill didn’t say it directly or even acknowledge that I was there but something tells me he still loves us too.

GH seemed happy actually. All the guys like him. Everyone loves ZBo. Like a lot. He was cracking everybody up on both teams.
 
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