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The Thriller

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I have a different take and experience than others in this thread.

I've always understood that we celebrate and support whatever country we are in to the best of our abilities and while there work to make things better from within.
The teaching that stood as the backbone of this was for me Article of Faith 12 "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

For me that means supporting the country I live in, and also for me that means knowing the pledge of allegiance and at times singing the national anthem.
We have at times sung the national anthem at church meetings around the 4th.
While I don't have an extensive travel history, I had always hoped that meant the national songs/anthems/pledges or whatever is equivalent were supported in those other countries.

The church is not necessarily in support of the US, but is in support of and/or respects all countries and encourages members to adhere to laws in the country they live in.

This is definitely not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is as a whole in support of the US and that the US is better than any and all other countries. My take is that we are in support of people. All people.
Did mine in Brazil, near heard the national anthem at church. Also lived there post mission for a time. Again, never once.

In fact, from what I gather, the church in the US is where patriotic songs are sung at church. I haven’t heard of this happening outside of the us.

And it’s funny given our church’s history to read that AOF. From 1844 to the present day with Covid and 2020 election results, honoring and sustaining the law haven’t been consistently followed especially from top leaders.
 
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Red

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Matt Drudge is leading off his Sunday news page with two articles relevant to the subject matter of this thread.


 

Red

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View: https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1551947364314877952

 
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LogGrad98

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View: https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1551947364314877952


I found another excerpt from her speech...

The task before us is the most difficult which has faced Christian Nationalist statesmen in living memory. But we all have unbounded confidence, for we believe in our nation and in its eternal values. Farmers, workers, and the middle class must unite to contribute the bricks wherewith to Make America Great Again.

The Christian Nationalists will therefore regard it as our first and supreme task to restore to the American people unity of mind and will. We will preserve and defend the foundations on which the strength of our nation rests. We will take under our firm protection Christianity as the basis of our morality, and the family as the nucleus of our nation and our state. Standing above race and classes, we will bring back to our people the consciousness of our racial and political unity and the obligations arising therefrom. We wish to base the education of American youth on respect for our great past and pride in our old traditions...America must not and will not sink into socialist anarchy.

There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
 

The Thriller

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I found another excerpt from her speech...





There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
Is this socialism?


Or is socialism only when that poor single mother in the city gets a small check?

Don’t get me wrong, i still believe in markets and fiscal discipline in a lot of things. But it’s just funny to me what people call “socialism” these days. We don’t bat an eye writing a blank check to the defense dept but heaven forbid some struggling family get a Some help to buy groceries.

Anyone else find it laughable that Christianity is somehow described as the “moral basis” for our country? Even if you dismiss our own history of genocide and slavery (that seems to be immoral even though it’s condoned in the Bible) just recently we saw the biggest 180 I’ve ever seen In my life. A few years ago? Character mattered. Trump? Suddenly it didn’t. All well
 
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LogGrad98

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I found another excerpt from her speech...





There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
By the way, this is actually text from Hitler's first Radio address. I literally just changed references to Nazis to Christian nationalists.
 


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