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Gonna post this in a few threads cause it made me laugh so hard.
4th of July and Religion
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This is how many of us feel, and why we’re angry. Christians are forcing non-Christian’s to be governed based off their beliefs. It’s wrong, unconstitutional, and violent.
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/FHKcJQqnvjY?feature=share
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The Thriller
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Did mine in Brazil, near heard the national anthem at church. Also lived there post mission for a time. Again, never once.
In fact, from what I gather, the church in the US is where patriotic songs are sung at church. I haven’t heard of this happening outside of the us.
And it’s funny given our church’s history to read that AOF. From 1844 to the present day with Covid and 2020 election results, honoring and sustaining the law haven’t been consistently followed especially from top leaders.
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Red
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Matt Drudge is leading off his Sunday news page with two articles relevant to the subject matter of this thread.
www.politico.com
‘Operation Higher Court’: Inside the religious right’s efforts to wine and dine Supreme Court justices
A former evangelical leader details his group’s extensive program to influence Justices Thomas, Alito and Scalia through meals and entertainment.
www.politico.com
The Far-Right Christian Quest for Power: ‘We Are Seeing Them Emboldened’
Three weeks before he won the Republican nomination for Pennsylvania governor, Doug Mastriano stood beside a three-foot-tall painted eagle statue
dnyuz.com
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Red
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GOP Should be Party of Christian Nationalists, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says at Turning Point USA Summit
Greene spoke at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, where many Republicans also embraced extremist ideology.
truthout.org
Opinion: Marjorie Taylor Greene's words on Christian nationalism are a wake-up call | CNN
Recent comments about Christian nationalism by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert mark an alarming turn, writes Amanda Tyler, who argues that Christians have a special responsibility to step up at this critical moment to reject an ideology that distorts both the Christian faith and...
www.cnn.com
View: https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1551947364314877952
An 'imposter Christianity' is threatening American democracy | CNN
Scholars and historians say the harmful teachings of White Christian nationalism -- which help spark the January 6 attack on the US Capitol -- have been adopted by many Americans without them knowing it.
www.cnn.com
How White Christian Nationalists Seek to Transform America
The sociologist Samuel Perry studies the views of people who believe that America was founded as a Christian nation, based on Biblical principles. He argues that this ideology is on the rise—and that it is threatening our democracy.
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GOP Should be Party of Christian Nationalists, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says at Turning Point USA Summit
Greene spoke at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, where many Republicans also embraced extremist ideology.
Opinion: Marjorie Taylor Greene's words on Christian nationalism are a wake-up call | CNN
Recent comments about Christian nationalism by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert mark an alarming turn, writes Amanda Tyler, who argues that Christians have a special responsibility to step up at this critical moment to reject an ideology that distorts both the Christian faith and...
View: https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1551947364314877952
An 'imposter Christianity' is threatening American democracy | CNN
Scholars and historians say the harmful teachings of White Christian nationalism -- which help spark the January 6 attack on the US Capitol -- have been adopted by many Americans without them knowing it.How White Christian Nationalists Seek to Transform America
The sociologist Samuel Perry studies the views of people who believe that America was founded as a Christian nation, based on Biblical principles. He argues that this ideology is on the rise—and that it is threatening our democracy.www.newyorker.com
I found another excerpt from her speech...
There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
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The Thriller
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Is this socialism?
‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back
The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.
www.politico.com
Or is socialism only when that poor single mother in the city gets a small check?
Don’t get me wrong, i still believe in markets and fiscal discipline in a lot of things. But it’s just funny to me what people call “socialism” these days. We don’t bat an eye writing a blank check to the defense dept but heaven forbid some struggling family get a Some help to buy groceries.
Anyone else find it laughable that Christianity is somehow described as the “moral basis” for our country? Even if you dismiss our own history of genocide and slavery (that seems to be immoral even though it’s condoned in the Bible) just recently we saw the biggest 180 I’ve ever seen In my life. A few years ago? Character mattered. Trump? Suddenly it didn’t. All well
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By the way, this is actually text from Hitler's first Radio address. I literally just changed references to Nazis to Christian nationalists.
I thought that sounded too coherent to be MTG.
Yeah but it's a little unnerving how well it fit.
Red
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Trump threw open the doors to Christian nationalism….
View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/07/31/katherine-stewart-christian-nationalism-donald-trump-rs-vpx.cnn
View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/07/31/katherine-stewart-christian-nationalism-donald-trump-rs-vpx.cnn
The Thriller
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Good find and I’m glad this is getting more attention. But too often the media downplays this extremist movement as being “small.” So it gives voters an easy out, “I’m not voting for Ted Cruz, Lauren Boebert, MTG, I’m voting for my trusty Mitt Romney who isn’t a cheaitian nationalist.” Very few voters are consciously voting to end democracy, multiculturalism, etc. they’re voting how they’ve always voted. Or they’re voting against the “status quo.”
In reality, by empowering the same party that is being pulled by its extremes, you’re voting to empower the extremes.
If voters continue to vote R this fall, they’re voting for Christian Nationalism.
The Thriller
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I’m curious why you think it’s taken the media so long to recognize the danger this movement poses for American democracy? It’s not like it’s new. Mike Huckabee’s campaign in 2008 was far more explicit with his embrace with Christian nationalism than Trumps (perhaps that’s why Trump won and Huckabee and Santorum didn’t?)
Santorum:
Huckabee Elevates Ten Commandments Above Secular Laws
If everyone obeyed the Ten Commandments and New Testament, there would be less need for laws to be enforced by the government, Republican presidential
goodfaithmedia.org
The Conservative Crusade For Christian Sharia Law
It’s not just the fringe anymore. Mainstream conservatives are trying to bring America’s laws into agreement with ‘God’s law.’
www.thedailybeast.com
It’s not like they’re screaming into the void. This should horrify most people on this website:
Half of Americans say Bible should influence U.S. laws, including 28% who favor it over the will of the people
About half of Americans say the Bible should have at least “some” influence on U.S. laws; 23% say it should have “a great deal” of influence.
www.pewresearch.org
Red
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Christianity, as it developed in the United States, and affected our identity, I think it’s a unique thing, and worthy of study on so many levels.I’m curious why you think it’s taken the media so long to recognize the danger this movement poses for American democracy? It’s not like it’s new. Mike Huckabee’s campaign in 2008 was far more explicit with his embrace with Christian nationalism than Trumps (perhaps that’s why Trump won and Huckabee and Santorum didn’t?)
Santorum:
Huckabee Elevates Ten Commandments Above Secular Laws
If everyone obeyed the Ten Commandments and New Testament, there would be less need for laws to be enforced by the government, Republican presidential
The Conservative Crusade For Christian Sharia Law
It’s not just the fringe anymore. Mainstream conservatives are trying to bring America’s laws into agreement with ‘God’s law.’www.thedailybeast.com
It’s not like they’re screaming into the void. This should horrify most people on this website:
Half of Americans say Bible should influence U.S. laws, including 28% who favor it over the will of the people
About half of Americans say the Bible should have at least “some” influence on U.S. laws; 23% say it should have “a great deal” of influence.
Christian nationalism could never be my cup of tea. But it’s not hard to see it as a potent motivating myth. I think it carry’s a degree of potential danger, if it’s foundation is built on a myth, and spits out nuts like this:
The Rapture and the Real World: Mike Pompeo Blends Beliefs and Policy (Published 2019)
America’s top diplomat stands out in the Trump administration for brazenly inserting his evangelical Christian beliefs into discussions of foreign policy.
I saved this three part series, from early in Trump’s term. Any lessons extend beyond Trump, since this merger of faith and nation is endemic here.
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Nationalism seems to run so afoul of real biblical Christianity as to be a parody of it. How in the ****ing hell can they say that they will force this on everyone while also loving their neighbor as themselves. Condemn everyone to hell, but forgive them for they know not what they do. The way Christianity has been bastardized and commercialized and every other -ized is just sickening in so many ways. Jesus would in no way recognize any of this as any kind of religion he espoused. I am sure he would liken this kind of thing far more to the money-lenders in the temple than the widow and her mite. Just disgusting how they use this all for political and financial gain, and for NO OTHER REASON. It is like we are heading into the crusades all over again. How long until the inquisition? What a joke, a blasphemous and sacrilegious joke.Christianity, as it developed in the United States, and affected our identity, I think it’s a unique thing, and worthy of study on so many levels.
Christian nationalism could never be my cup of tea. But it’s not hard to see it as a potent motivating myth. I think it carry’s a degree of potential danger, if it’s foundation is built on a myth, and spits out nuts like this:
The Rapture and the Real World: Mike Pompeo Blends Beliefs and Policy (Published 2019)
America’s top diplomat stands out in the Trump administration for brazenly inserting his evangelical Christian beliefs into discussions of foreign policy.www.nytimes.com
I saved this three part series, from early in Trump’s term. Any lessons extend beyond Trump, since this merger of faith and nation is endemic here.
The Thriller
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I think we have to look at it through a different lens. Cuz you’re right, what these “Christians” want to do is antithetical to what most could consider to be mainstream Christian beliefs. There certainly are nutcakes who think the forcing everyone to be Christian to quicken the rapture would be good. But I don’t think most are into that.
The lens you have to look through are hierarchies. These folks sense the cultural and demographic ground shifting beneath their feet. They see black people demanding equality and white police being held to account, gay people parading around and feeling confident enough to come out of the closet, and Moooslem sounding names becoming president. So their fear isn’t so much that America is becoming unchristian and that’ll make the world less moral, it’s that their sense of power and structure is losing.
Deep down, they fear that they’ll be treated as minorities the same way they’ve treated minorities for decades.