bang for the buck... he is arguably the worst player on the team.
83%, AK is the weakest link
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bang for the buck... he is arguably the worst player on the team.
supposedly a "Win Share" is "an estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player." whatever. i quickly divided each remaining jazz player's 2009-2010 "win shares" by their 2010-2011 salary (millions):
Millsap: 1.16
Deron: 0.69
Price: 0.65
Memo: 0.59
CJ: 0.51
AK: 0.34
i'm not saying this is the best way to do it, but it seems like it gives an approximate bang-for-buck value. now, feel free to rip it and me to shreds.
Millsap: 1.16
Deron: 0.69
Price: 0.65
Memo: 0.59
CJ: 0.51
AK: 0.34
i'm not saying this is the best way to do it, but it seems like it gives an approximate bang-for-buck value. now, feel free to rip it and me to shreds.
Clearly we should have him sit out the first 20 games and get that 25% of the season out of the way early. Then he'll play in every game the rest of the season at full strength.
Genius!
Stickler
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I didn't realize we were talking about AK's value relative to his contract. That's a whole different story. But let me ask you guys this: Can we trade him for someone who is better? Is that feasible or possible? To me, it seems like it would not be. We might be able to trade him for someone who provides Jazz ownership with a better value relative to their contract, but I'm not as interested in that as I am in winning. He only has one year left on the contract. If he's our best chance of winning, I say you have to throw out "value relative to his contract" and roll with "value relative to whoever might replace him." In which case, really, I think you have to keep him on the team. Just my take.
That is a very funny idea. Realitically, his minutes should be limited if he is going to stick around with us and maybe he shouldn't play back to back games.
NotDeadYet
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One thing I've noticed; the Jazz brass does not like AK playing for Russia in the summer. I believe he has gone just about every year anyway. That can't help his durability issue. He needs to take a page from Kevin Garnett's book; Yoga. That will do incredible things for the back. I know; I started Yoga when I was 54, and this is my 9th year. My old back problems completely disappeared a few years ago; it really teaches you to instinctively use the Abs to protect the low back.
The problem for us financially is AK is like a rock star in Russia. My thinking has been if we don't want to pay him, they would without batting an eye. The good news is this year he has declined to go play for his Russian team. Hopefully he will follow whatever offseason fitness program the Jazz have planned for him and last the whole 2010-2011 season!
The problem for us financially is AK is like a rock star in Russia. My thinking has been if we don't want to pay him, they would without batting an eye. The good news is this year he has declined to go play for his Russian team. Hopefully he will follow whatever offseason fitness program the Jazz have planned for him and last the whole 2010-2011 season!
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LOL.
I want to know which stretch of last season AK47 was our best player? Was it when he was 150 pounds heavier with full and total muscles with a .000009 % body fat percentage and a bench press max double that of Malone? I love it how some fans just cannot get off the AK47 drug. Where did those fantastic muscles go? I never saw them last year. Obviously, they didn't make a difference as I saw the same weak arms failing AK47 trying to get bailed out by the refs from one of his patented out of control drives. We all saw the same old injured AK. We saw him average career lows in blocks. So where did the wittle muscles help him?
With Boozer and Deron on this team, AK47 never was our best player. There were times he wasn't even as good as Korver or Wesley.
Perhaps some of you were watching a different season or something. But AK47 NEVER was our best player last year.
For the money, AK47 is one of the worst players in the league.
Which makes him 100 % ours, since we cannot unload him. As long as he's with the team, I hope plays and at least contributes something defensively (which he hasn't done in years). I could care less about offense, since he's never been a very good offensive player. But defensively, I really hope he stops crying about his lack of touches and gets back to averaging 2-3 blocks per game.
Of course, he'll probably get injured or cry before he does that ever again. And the same 2-3 people on this board will make excuses for him.
I want to know which stretch of last season AK47 was our best player? Was it when he was 150 pounds heavier with full and total muscles with a .000009 % body fat percentage and a bench press max double that of Malone? I love it how some fans just cannot get off the AK47 drug. Where did those fantastic muscles go? I never saw them last year. Obviously, they didn't make a difference as I saw the same weak arms failing AK47 trying to get bailed out by the refs from one of his patented out of control drives. We all saw the same old injured AK. We saw him average career lows in blocks. So where did the wittle muscles help him?
With Boozer and Deron on this team, AK47 never was our best player. There were times he wasn't even as good as Korver or Wesley.
Perhaps some of you were watching a different season or something. But AK47 NEVER was our best player last year.
For the money, AK47 is one of the worst players in the league.
Which makes him 100 % ours, since we cannot unload him. As long as he's with the team, I hope plays and at least contributes something defensively (which he hasn't done in years). I could care less about offense, since he's never been a very good offensive player. But defensively, I really hope he stops crying about his lack of touches and gets back to averaging 2-3 blocks per game.
Of course, he'll probably get injured or cry before he does that ever again. And the same 2-3 people on this board will make excuses for him.
I think AK's value as a player is highly variable. If you're playing him at the 4 spot, I think he's fantastic - I still believe he's the best 4-man on the team, even though we've now acquired Jefferson, who I view as a 5.
At this point, considering we have both Millsap and Jefferson under contract for the next 3 seasons, I think we should move AK at the trade deadline. If there were more minutes available for Andrei at the 4, I would prefer keeping him and re-signing him at a much lesser cost ($7-8M per, as mentioned earlier in this thread). But a $17M expiring contract is a HUGE trading chip. With the line-up as is, I see us right at 4-5 in the West at worst by the trade deadline. I really think we could move AK for a stud wing or a shot-blocking 5 from a struggling team with a big contract that they want to move.
The more I think about it, the more I think that we could become true WC. We might not get past LA, but I think if we make a smart AK trade at the deadline to get a real stud wing, we could be right there. WCF at the worst.
At this point, considering we have both Millsap and Jefferson under contract for the next 3 seasons, I think we should move AK at the trade deadline. If there were more minutes available for Andrei at the 4, I would prefer keeping him and re-signing him at a much lesser cost ($7-8M per, as mentioned earlier in this thread). But a $17M expiring contract is a HUGE trading chip. With the line-up as is, I see us right at 4-5 in the West at worst by the trade deadline. I really think we could move AK for a stud wing or a shot-blocking 5 from a struggling team with a big contract that they want to move.
The more I think about it, the more I think that we could become true WC. We might not get past LA, but I think if we make a smart AK trade at the deadline to get a real stud wing, we could be right there. WCF at the worst.
The Ghost of Blue Edwards
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If the Jazz are going to win the championship in the next 3 years, AK will be a contributing factor. Without him, the Jazz take a good two steps back, sort of like the way it was with Mark Eaton.
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Over the past 3 seasons AK has averaged only 1.3 blocks per game.
He's far from being the defensive player that some of you remember him being.
We'll need to add another defensive player or two in the next 3 years to take his spot and solidify other positions if we ever hope to win a championship. AK47 of 7 years ago could have been a key player for a championship team. Not anymore. Too old, broken, and quite honestly, doesn't have the same energy/desire defensively as he once had.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Might be viable at the deadline. Good players are traded all the time. The two teams with the biggest chips are Utah (AK) and LA (Dalembert). Maybe we get a good SG if we're willing to also assume one bad contract.