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A bit of trade speculation surrounding Cousins...

And being quite real, I sure as **** wouldn't want to play for the Sacramento Kings, the most hapless NBA franchise of the last 15 years.
 
I can see them calling up Jazz because they have a lot of pieces that might make them better. Seriously, if i'm trading a superstar I'm calling the Jazz! Picks, young talent, cap space. Knicks with the #1 pick would be nice but i'd rather a package centered around Favors/Burke/Hood/Picks if I'm the Kings. I would oppose a trade unless, it got to the point of something silly.
 
Batman said:
Sexual Favors don't think I'm trolling cause I'm not, but you seem to be high on guys you can't win with. I suspect you are high on guys like Dion Waiters, Rudy Gay (before this year), and Josh Smith. Cousins will never win in the league if he's the best player on a team. And if he is ever an important piece on a good team, that team will need a strong veteran leadership and winning culture. I think I heard Locke say Cousins is close to as bad as Richie Incognito in the locker room.
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I've never been high on a single one of those guys, in fact, they've always disgusted me. Cousins' talent is undeniable, as is the Kings' dumpster fire of management since drafting him. He's a head case, but I don't know if you can say you can't win with him just yet. You can't win with ANYONE in a bad situation.

I've been high on Kanter and Lavine who this board said you couldn't win with because they are too dumb, but I believe both will prove their merit as they develop.

Players I've supported with flack from JF:

Kanter (still don't think I'm wrong. He's producing in new environment and they'll win when healthy).
Gobert (last year half of this board said he would be a backup. I saw the potential from day one).
Hayward (I cheered when we drafted him).
Neto (once I saw SL... so I guess some hindsight compared to Trey)
Burks (after 12-13 people were saying I only liked him because he was flashy. Fools, I watched him in college).
A. Gordon (verdict is still out. Plays winning ball. Really think he should be an SF).
Z. Lavine (verdict is still out, but looks like I'll be right on this one)
KCP (thought he'd be a good 3 &D, not a star. He's meh.)
Giannis or Schroeder over Trey
MCW over Trey (was right, but they both suck)


I like players who have something that sets them apart. They often haven't grown into their bodies, or learned the game completely, but I see them as far better picks at their draft positions than the decorated safe bets. I think most of those above will pan out.

In this upcoming draft, I have supported Russell since September when I found out who he was. Do a search if you must. I've supported Mudiay since joining JF. You can search that too. I like Towns, and don't want Okafor. I'm intrigued by Hozanja.
 
jope said:
Don't have much else as far as tangibles to back up my point... so yeah, it is what it is. My point is more or less that the physical tools are there, with proper motivation and schemes i don't see the defensive catastrophe as foretold.
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Combine was a long time ago, they have both physically changed since then. Fact is Cousins takes plays off on defense frequently. He is worse than Kanter in this regard. Yes maybe he suddenly changes with a new coach and plays hard all game but that seems like a silly risk to take when we have a team working together. We also have a player in Favors that is developing much faster than Cousins. Cousins is pretty much the same player he was in the league his rookie year. Favors has worked hard to develop, look at his jump shot this year. We have good reason to think Favors will continue to develop at a faster rate than Cousins. We also have an identity as a defensive team, Cousins does not consider himself a defensive player and puts in little effort, this would hurt our all around defense and cause other players to not rotate properly and work less hard. Look at what we were with Kanter in the lineup.

Sorry if you think Cousins is as good of a defender as Favors than I guess you make the trade but that seems silly to me. Even if he changes his effort (huge risk) he is not going to be the defender Favors is right now.
 
We would be upgrading our front line especially with attitude imagine Rudy and Cousins they would be some big nasties. Then we already have a player in Hood that has a higher ceiling then Hayward. We could ask for a pick then pick a 3 and d backup to Hood. Plus, use our pick to get a backup pf. We bring over Tomic we would be at least in the top 5 next year in the West. Our d would still be great and Cousins would upgrade our offense.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
We would be upgrading our front line especially with attitude imagine Rudy and Cousins
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Glad you are excited to watch Cousins cry after every call and stand around and pout while the team plays 4v5 on defense.

I am not.

Maybe if Rudy bitch slaps him after every play, in a few years his attitude might be okay.
 
I don't think Boogie is going anywhere as Divac loves him and will build around him. However, if Matt Malone takes over in Orlando Vucevic for Cousins swap could make sense.
 
Broncster said:
Combine was a long time ago, they have both physically changed since then. Fact is Cousins takes plays off on defense frequently. He is worse than Kanter in this regard. Yes maybe he suddenly changes with a new coach and plays hard all game but that seems like a silly risk to take when we have a team working together. We also have a player in Favors that is developing much faster than Cousins. Cousins is pretty much the same player he was in the league his rookie year. Favors has worked hard to develop, look at his jump shot this year. We have good reason to think Favors will continue to develop at a faster rate than Cousins. We also have an identity as a defensive team, Cousins does not consider himself a defensive player and puts in little effort, this would hurt our all around defense and cause other players to not rotate properly and work less hard. Look at what we were with Kanter in the lineup.

Sorry if you think Cousins is as good of a defender as Favors than I guess you make the trade but that seems silly to me. Even if he changes his effort (huge risk) he is not going to be the defender Favors is right now.
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Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't think he's the defender that favors is. Physically, he could IMO be as good or better than favors, but 90% of defense is focus, desire, and team concepts. My point is that, under the right circumstances he wouldn't be a negative on the defensive end, and his passing, ball-handling, scoring, and foul-drawing would be huge in Quin's offensive system. I'm totally fine if we don't move anything and keep favors, but i still see getting top tier talent as a priority for this club.
 
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