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  1. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    She claimed there was no bias and simultaneously admitted that the Obama Justice Dept. instructed them not to pursue charges of Gross Negligence. That's crazy!

    The exoneration was written long before the key players were questioned. The original statement used the term Gross Negligence, but top FBI officials changed it to Extreme Carelessness. How could it be any more obvious what was going on? Strozck and Page talked about an insurance policy that was discussed in Andy's office. Andy McCabe has now bragged (as part of his book tour) that he rushed to open an investigation because of the threat he believed that Trump posed to the country. How could it be any more obvious that the Russia Investigation was the insurance policy? He also suggested that they were attempting to invoke the 25th Ammendment. Is there anyone who believes that government bureaucrats ought to be up to crap like this?

    FBI and DOJ lied to the FISC Court using documents and evidence they knew was uncorroborated. Even the author of that evidence was unwilling to stand behind it. That is what this so called investigation, and more accurately called insurance policy, was based upon. The warrant to record Papadopoulos was based on supposed claims made by an Australian diplomat which are not corroborated by that same diplomats story in the Australian press.

    But Trump haters dislike him so badly that they don't really care whether the charges against him are legitimate or not. They just want him gone no matter what the cost. And now it's looking more and more like Trump's claims of a witch hunt are going to be backed up by the actual evidence that Muller has been able to collect.

    So is that enough to but this issue to bed? Of course not! Now the Dem lead House is opening investigations into everything they can possibly think of related to Trump going back decades. At what point will the public decide that this entire episode is more a political hit job than an actual investigation?

    Of course Page and others claim there was no bias involved, but the actions of all of the key characters scream otherwise. In the Hillary investigation virtually everyone was given immunity (even when they were caught in obvious lies or when it was discovered that they blatantly destroyed evidence). In the Trump investigation a litany of unrelated charges are brought and everyone who won't turn on Trump is prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The differences in treatment are stark and obvious to anyone willing to watch what's going on with their eyes open.
     
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  2. Jazzta

    Jazzta Well-Known Member

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    Good, may the pendulum swing until something meaningful actually gives..
     
  3. Alfalfa

    Alfalfa Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I guess I'll give you an honest response, knowing that it's going no where.

    I've met actual libertarians. Real ones who studied the philosophy and thought about it/discussed it for a long time. They're usually indifferent to religion, and they foresee the freedom given to individuals as a vehicle for massive change. They're pro transformation and change, and they don't want the government to stand in the way. They don't care about abortion, sexual orientation, or anything like that, and they wouldn't want the government to have the power to interfere with such personal decisions.

    You're not a libertarian. You're a mainstream religious conservative. Like the Tea Party. Ya, you like to label yourselves libertarian, but ultimately, you want smaller government because you don't like what you perceive as the direction the government is taking us in. You're a traditionalist.

    That's all fine and good. What's not good, is your hostility toward some things that you don't seem to understand at all. Statements like "liberalism failed wherever it was tried". The fact you can type that with a straight face indicates that you have no idea what liberalism even is! Liberalism has been tried and failed?! lmao. Liberalism is the basis upon which the entire Western Civilization stands! You're using the word the way Fox News uses it. Without meaning! Same with socialism or capitalism. Your incredibly simple minded statements about them boggle the mind. There's no "capitalism is good, and socialism is bad" for adult society! The world doesn't work like that. Do you know what a mixed economy is? If you're gonna be a douche, be an educated one, man.
     
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  4. Heathme

    Heathme Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate your respectful response. It has become rare around here.

    What about the evidence that the polar ice caps are growing? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

    What about the exact same weather patterns happening in the early 1900s?

    Our climate is constantly changing and shifting. We have had a long period without sun spots that is affecting our weather. Our earth is billions of years old, yet scientist think they can know what happened 200+ years ago and before.

    What about Al Gore's predictions that the east coast would be underwater a few years ago? Computer models are faulty at best. You do realize how rich global warming has made Al Gore right?
     
  5. Zombie

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    Aboutthat: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2836/...-to-sea-level-rise-was-mitigated-by-snowfall/

    https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/ramp-up-in-antarctic-ice-loss-speeds-sea-level-rise

    https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ns-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

    https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/2015-nasa-study-antarctic-ice-climate-change-skeptic
     
  6. Heathme

    Heathme Well-Known Member

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    Responses embedded...
     
  7. Heathme

    Heathme Well-Known Member

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    Wow, even NASA contradicts itself... The world is BILLIONS of years old. We have been keeping track of data for maybe 200 years of that.

    For being such "open-minded liberals" you guys sure are dogmatic on your global warming. How about an easy question? The scientific consensus in the 70s was that the Earth was entering an immediate ice age. Is there any chance that scientists may be off now too? I know your answer already. Is there any room for skepticism in you guys?
     
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  8. Zombie

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    Good ****ing christ. You can not be this thick.
     
  9. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    TIL that I am a libertarian.
     
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  10. Heathme

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    You missed this: For being such "open-minded liberals" you guys sure are dogmatic on your global warming. How about an easy question? The scientific consensus in the 70s was that the Earth was entering an immediate ice age. Is there any chance that scientists may be off now too? I know your answer already. Is there any room for skepticism in you guys?

    I guess the answer is no?

    Zombie, you're not used to having people question your beliefs are you?
     
  11. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    It literally wasn't.
     
  12. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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  13. Zombie

    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    I am actually very used to it. That experience has helped me thoroughly dismantle your arguments all afternoon.
     
  14. Heathme

    Heathme Well-Known Member

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  15. Zombie

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  16. silesian

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    That was absolutely NO the scientific consensus in the 70s. There was ZERO scientific consensus on global warming, global cooling, or global stasis (no trend) in the 70s. You need to discern alarmist media reports (if it bleeds it leads) from real scientific studies. Do some research that is not based on validating your bias. Let me get you started.

    https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
     
  17. Safetydan

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    This thread is massively disappointing. Heathme, grow as a person. Learn and grow. Be better.
     
  18. Jazzta

    Jazzta Well-Known Member

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    You make a great point about what being an actual libertarian means. It’s no surprise therefore that there is some common ground with what’s perceived as the far left, as crazy as that may sound, in terms of the role that the government should play in our lives. I find there to be much common ground in terms of foreign policy as well.
     
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  19. Jazzta

    Jazzta Well-Known Member

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    Also I think that some have a different view from others on the meaning of left and right in politics, I guess depending on their sources of information.
     
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