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fishonjazz said:
My angle is a simple one. Having a statement in the declaration of Independence that says that everyone has a right to life doesn't actually do or mean anything.
I think that is inarguable. If that wasn't in there we would still go on living and murder would stay illegal. Just like in many other countries without a declaration of Independence.

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It's a system of beliefs. Why do you believe murder should be illegal?

I found your line of rights being non-existent because there isn't some supernatural power assuring you stay alive quite bizarre.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
It's a system of beliefs. Why do you believe murder should be illegal?

I found your line of rights being non-existent because there isn't some supernatural power assuring you stay alive quite bizarre.
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Nah it's more like I look at other people in other countries and they live and murder is no bueno. Even without a declaration of the right to life. Cause it's kind of a given in most places. Like it's kind of a given that murder would be illegal

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fishonjazz said:
Nah it's more like I look at other people in other countries and they live and murder is no bueno. Even without a declaration of the right to life. Cause it's kind of a given in most places. Like it's kind of a given that murder would be illegal

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We can call it a given instead of a right, doesnt make much of a difference to me. We have a given to live.
 
Just to clarify though since you keep mentioning European constitutions, they all arose out of the same Magna Carta beliefs in rights or freedoms or givens. As did ours.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Just to clarify though since you keep mentioning European constitutions, they all arose out of the same Magna Carta beliefs in rights or freedoms or givens. As did ours.
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So cool
(I never mentioned Europe though)

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fishonjazz said:
The answer to question #1 is obviously no. A baby doesn't have rights. Even a baby that has been born. Hell my daughter is almost 3 and she has no rights at all. She does what her parents tell her/allow her to do. She eats what we want her to. Sleeps when we say so. Can't vote, can't drink alcohol, can't see any movies or watch shows that we don't allow her to.
She has no rights at all.

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She has tons of rights. She has a right to breathe air. She has a right to eat food (which she is not required to prepare or pay for herself). She has a right to be treated kindly. She has the right to cry. She has the right to laugh. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Also, if she really is eating, sleeping and doing everything else just the way you want then you should consider yourself lucky... and inexperienced.
 
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