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This could be said of both parties.

No not really, only one side is building walls to excluded people, its an old trick of the far right to marginalise minorities, we all know where it ends up.
 
No not really, only one side is building walls to excluded people, its an old trick of the far right to marginalise minorities, we all know where it ends up.

And the other is using identity politics. Different tactics. Same goal. Power and control.
 
And the other is using identity politics. Different tactics. Same goal. Power and control.

I don't think they are remotely similar, immigration and people seeking asylum has been used as a political tool in this country for 20 years, we now have people interned indefinitely for exercising their human rights according to UN conventions we have signed. (The UN also being a body Australian law makers were instrumental in forming) These are internment camps where people are held without trial, indefinitely, are set up in remote isolated south pacific islands, where detainees are beaten and at least one has been murdered, most likely by the guards employed to keep him in custody.

These policies have been implemented and maintained by right and left political parties. They are an abject betrayal of what our country has stood for since the war, of our historical legacy as good international citizens, by acting in this manner we make it harder to insist that other countries respect human rights, international conventions around say conservation or nuclear non-proliferation and so on. It becomes the race to the bottom, a lawless Hobbesian international system based solely upon the idea of might is right.

Using exclusion and degeneration as political tools only leads to increased instability both internally and externally, it makes us all less safe.

I don't think identity politics has ever led to a gulag.
 
I don't think they are remotely similar, immigration and people seeking asylum has been used as a political tool in this country for 20 years, we now have people interned indefinitely for exercising their human rights according to UN conventions we have signed. (The UN also being a body Australian law makers were instrumental in forming) These are internment camps where people are held without trial, indefinitely, are set up in remote isolated south pacific islands, where detainees are beaten and at least one has been murdered, most likely by the guards employed to keep him in custody.

These policies have been implemented and maintained by right and left political parties. They are an abject betrayal of what our country has stood for since the war, of our historical legacy as good international citizens, by acting in this manner we make it harder to insist that other countries respect human rights, international conventions around say conservation or nuclear non-proliferation and so on. It becomes the race to the bottom, a lawless Hobbesian international system based solely upon the idea of might is right.

Using exclusion and degeneration as political tools only leads to increased instability both internally and externally, it makes us all less safe.

I don't think identity politics has ever led to a gulag.

Lol interesting story
 
Lol interesting story

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Barati

Caved his own head in?

They'll have a Royal Commission into Trade Unions, spend millions of tax payers dollars to find out that unions aren't friendly to corporations (Abbott also re-allocated funds for the RC into sexual abuse of children by clergy into that dog and pony show) but not the death of a foreign national in the custody of the Australian government. We should be a better country than this.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Barati

Caved his own head in?

They'll have a Royal Commission into Trade Unions, spend millions of tax payers dollars to find out that unions aren't friendly to corporations (Abbott also re-allocated funds for the RC into sexual abuse of children by clergy into that dog and pony show) but not the death of a foreign national in the custody of the Australian government. We should be a better country than this.

Lol unions just “aren’t friendly to corporations”. John Setka’s rap sheet is ok ??

Anyway asserting that it’s only one side who does bad things and the other side is altruistic af is just ridiculous. And I don’t like either side particularly.
 
Hi everyone. I had a spiritual awakening and I'm now a conservative.

Did you guys read the latest book by Dinesh D'souza? It's really eye opening. It showed me how the left are the real Nazis.

Go Trump.
 
At some point over the last several years I realized I'm not really a Conservative as much as I am a Libertarian. I feel that the government, especially the Federal government, should have a much smaller impact on our day to day lives.

I never agreed with traditional conservative viewpoints on topics like same-sex marriage. Why should the government have this level of control over its citizens? How can a government tell consenting adults that they can't form a legally recognized union? Of course, this idea extends way beyond just the laws of marriage.

I work as a CPA auditing exclusively State, Local, and Tribal governments. Being able to view, at an individual transaction level, how our federal and state tax dollars are spent is genuinely frightening. Whatever amount of waste you image there might be.........trust me, there is more.

While I would prefer a much smaller federal government, clearly there are others that would like the government to grow substantially (Bernie, Ocasio-Cortez, etc.).

Conservative or Liberal, I'm curious as to what size government you would prefer, and why.
 
I don't think they are remotely similar, immigration and people seeking asylum has been used as a political tool in this country for 20 years, we now have people interned indefinitely for exercising their human rights according to UN conventions we have signed. (The UN also being a body Australian law makers were instrumental in forming) These are internment camps where people are held without trial, indefinitely, are set up in remote isolated south pacific islands, where detainees are beaten and at least one has been murdered, most likely by the guards employed to keep him in custody.

These policies have been implemented and maintained by right and left political parties. They are an abject betrayal of what our country has stood for since the war, of our historical legacy as good international citizens, by acting in this manner we make it harder to insist that other countries respect human rights, international conventions around say conservation or nuclear non-proliferation and so on. It becomes the race to the bottom, a lawless Hobbesian international system based solely upon the idea of might is right.

Using exclusion and degeneration as political tools only leads to increased instability both internally and externally, it makes us all less safe.

I don't think identity politics has ever led to a gulag.

And identity politics keeps people divided and separate. Hence said parties in power and their terrible policies. So yes, it plays it’s part in all the ********.

There shouldn’t be a single gov document that records gender, religion or ethnicity.
 
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