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It's really not falling on deaf ears. It is falling on ears that have heard the reports of doom and gloom since Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth came out in 2006.

Be that as it may, and with all due respect, my comments in comments #322, #326-327 were not about doom and gloom. They were an effort to show that the Presidential Committee on Climate Security had nothing to do with actual science, despite the Heritage Institute promoting it as just that. As well, I provided some background on the complete lack of objectivity of the man chosen to head that committee or commission, William Happer. You had been promoting the Heartland Institute in several of your comments. And the Heartland Institute have been promoting the proposed PCCS, including in the Heartland link you described as "reasonable", and in the Heartland link I provided.

I simply offered a counterpoint to your promotion of Heartland, as well as providing links to the feedback from the military and security communities on what they thought of the PCCS. The PCCS is to be simply a political vehicle to allow a predetermined conclusion to be drawn, one in support of Trump's stated opinion on the National Climate Assessment, produced by hundreds of scientists from many federal agencies: "I don't believe it", as he put it when asked. The PCCS will do this by disguising itself as an exercise in scientific debate. In reality, it will be a farce, designed to provide cover for the ignoramus occupying the Oval Office.
 
So, do you understand why they are not 'proof' of anything?

Just because it is an Op-Ed, does not mean it has no valuable or truthful information. Yes, an Op-Ed can have proof of something.

Zombie, since you post nothing of worth to this thread I will put you on ignore also.
 
Haha. Why does he think putting anyone on ignore is a threat or a punishment? I've literally never noticed this guy outside of this thread.
 
Just because it is an Op-Ed, does not mean it has no valuable or truthful information. Yes, an Op-Ed can have proof of something.

Zombie, since you post nothing of worth to this thread I will put you on ignore also.
Bummer.
 
It's ****in weird right??

Seriously. I'm dying here. He has 221 posts with a 9 year old account. And he must've posted 200 times in this thread. Certainly neither of us have ever had a conversation with him outside of this thread. And neither likely ever will. And yet. IGNORED! No more conversation with you!
 
Seriously. I'm dying here. He has 221 posts with a 9 year old account. And he must've posted 200 times in this thread. Certainly neither of us have ever had a conversation with him outside of this thread. And neither likely ever will. And yet. IGNORED! No more conversation with you!
I had also never noticed this "person" before this thread.
 
Those are legit concerns. From a conservatives perspective it doesn't feel like the public debate we are hearing is among scientists, though. It feels like it is among politicians. And some of them are in full whack-a-doodle mode. The Green New Deal is completely insane, for example. Getting rid of cows? Rebuilding every building? How would that even be possible? Eliminating all fossil fuels in 12 years? Flat out insanity! Especially since it's a guarantee that China and India would not be doing the same, and as a result they would destroy us economically. If the questions that article is asking have been answered, please point me to the source.

Yes, well, that's really going to take an exhausting effort on my part, as far as pointing you to sources that is. For the full list of questions, which in that Heartland article are really observations I thought, and not really questions. I can look for answers within the literature, but it will amount to counterpoints to those observations, and since those listed observations from that article are from the Heartland Institute, I see no reason why I should trust them as accurate observations to begin with, since, from my perspective, the Heartland Institute's agenda is entirely political. Just as from your perspective, you did not trust the answers to climate skeptics provided by the skeptical science site I posted earlier.

Speaking as a layman again, because that is all I am where climate science is concerned. So, it's likely I will not bother trying to find those sources for you. You will, however, likely find them covered in that skeptical science site, which addresses just under 200 objections raised by science skeptics.

Sure the public debate is among politicians. Some scientific debates have political dimensions. Even something seemingly non-political, like the question of when the Americas were first settled by man, had political offshoots, such as in the Kennewick Man episode, which pitted American archaeologists against First Nation people's. That's an obscure reference for most I'm sure; just an example of how an archaeological debate spawned a fierce political struggle.

Obviously the debate over climate change, and whether humans are influencing global warming, has huge political implications. Most politicians are not also climate scientists, but when all the vested interests are added up, the political dimension is overwhelming the scientific debate. Within this thread, I've mentioned peer reviewed literature at times, as a standard in science. But peer review has its flaws too, as this essay summarizes nicely, so, in the interest of objectivity, I post it. It's illuminating, and in this essay, it's applied directly to climate science:

https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2016/10/PeerReview.pdf
 
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and now it seems that the current leaders of the political side of this movement are claiming that we are currently 12 years away from the new doomsday.

It was my understanding that the scientists, and I am going to have to refresh my memory by seeing if it was the scientists behind the UN report, or those behind the administration's latest National Climate Assessment, or both, who stated we would reach a "point of no return" by 2030. It was the scientists who raised that assessment, not the politicians. Yes, some politicians adopted it, because, apparently, they took it seriously. But it was not the current "leaders of the political side of this movement" who invented this claim.

I'm also not sure "doomsday" is the right word, either. I believe what is being claimed is that the human-inhabitable regions of the globe will shrink as a result of global warming. The word "doomsday" almost implies some kind of end times or human extinction event to me. It conjures images like that in my mind. I believe, if the scientists are correct, that we are talking about shrinking the human-inhabitable zone on the planet. Through rising seas, (and that aspect is expected to have a greater impact where I live), increasing desert regions, etc.
 
Yes, an Op-Ed can have proof of something.

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Hey heathme, can i get in on some of that sweet ignore action?


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