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A summary of what the Jazz sent, and received (with pick specifics)

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stitches said:
I've explained a ton of times why this is not a good idea. First you risk having a poisonous atmosphere in the locker room with a player who doesn't want to be there.
Second matching serious money offer usually makes that contract untradeable, because those contracts come with poisons aimed at dissuading the team from matching - like player options, like trade kickers, etc. This means that 12M dollar contract becomes 14M contract, 16M contract becomes 18.5 contract. It becomes really hard to trade him unless he explodes on the scene and becomes a monster... and in this case you don't really want to trade him... So signing him in order to trade him later is in general a horrible idea. The only reason to sign him is if you think he will outplay his contract and you think you cannot get anything better for the same price.
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Agree 100%, but still hate you for your avatar, I wanted that... my favorite all-time player.
 
stitches said:
I've explained a ton of times why this is not a good idea. First you risk having a poisonous atmosphere in the locker room with a player who doesn't want to be there.
Second matching serious money offer usually makes that contract untradeable, because those contracts come with poisons aimed at dissuading the team from matching - like player options, like trade kickers, etc. This means that 12M dollar contract becomes 14M contract, 16M contract becomes 18.5 contract. It becomes really hard to trade him unless he explodes on the scene and becomes a monster... and in this case you don't really want to trade him... So signing him in order to trade him later is in general a horrible idea. The only reason to sign him is if you think he will outplay his contract and you think you cannot get anything better for the same price.
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I stopped reading after you said poisonous locker room. I know that is the easy assumption, but all indications and statements from everyone around the team contradicts this notion. Enes wasn't that type of guy, and the team didn't respon to him in that way.
 
Sexual Favors said:
I stopped reading after you said poisonous locker room. I know that is the easy assumption, but all indications and statements from everyone around the team contradicts this notion. Enes wasn't that type of guy, and the team didn't respon to him in that way.
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Right, the best thing to do would have been to bash his teammate without knowing if a trade was even going to happen. Some people actually have brains...
 
NAOS said:
whatever small roll we can play in making sure that franchise can't get off the mat and dust itself off: awesome.


I feel heart-broken for you <pause> not
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Why would we play a roll, when we should be playing a role?

Were you an inanimate object in your elementary school's play?
 
Jamezz said:
Right, the best thing to do would have been to bash his teammate without knowing if a trade was even going to happen. Some people actually have brains...
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Do you disregard what people close to the team hve said after the trade was announced, or do you still believe Kanter is hated by everyone?
 
Sexual Favors said:
I stopped reading after you said poisonous locker room. I know that is the easy assumption, but all indications and statements from everyone around the team contradicts this notion. Enes wasn't that type of guy, and the team didn't respon to him in that way.
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Indeed, that's the easiest way to ignore a point...
 
Sexual Favors said:
Do you disregard what people close to the team hve said after the trade was announced, or do you still believe Kanter is hated by everyone?
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No I don't think he's hated by everyone. I just think that there's professional talk, and there's what you think behind the scenes. Openly saying that you want traded is not professional talk because it brings speculation as to why you don't want to be here. This could have been handled a much better way, it hurt himself and hurt the organization, made it harder to find a better deal.
 
Facts are, we traded a 22 yr old who is shooting roughly 50% from the feild, 80% from FT, added a three-point shot which he hits at 31%. Per 36 minute, 18.4 pts and 10.4 reb player for a scrub, a euro who we'll never see, a second round pick, and first which will most likely be two second round picks. We could've got that value by window shopping the Dleague and just let Kanter walk if someone offered him something too high.

How do some of you, even the most ardent Kanter haters, see real value in this?

Don't even say cap space.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Facts are, we traded a 22 yr old who is shooting roughly 50% from the feild, 80% from FT, added a three-point shot which he hits at 31%. Per 36 minute, 18.4 pts and 10.4 reb player for a scrub, a euro who we'll never see, a second round pick, and first which will most likely be two second round picks. We could've got that value by window shopping the Dleague and just let Kanter walk if someone offered him something too high.

How do some of you, even the most ardent Kanter haters, see real value in this?

Don't even say cap space.
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Uhh, cap space?
 
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