A summary of what the Jazz sent, and received (with pick specifics)

[magic]

Facts are, we traded a 22 yr old who is shooting roughly 50% from the feild, 80% from FT, added a three-point shot which he hits at 31%. Per 36 minute, 18.4 pts and 10.4 reb player for a scrub, a euro who we'll never see, a second round pick, and first which will most likely be two second round picks. We could've got that value by window shopping the Dleague and just let Kanter walk if someone offered him something too high.

How do some of you, even the most ardent Kanter haters, see real value in this?

Don't even say cap space.

Gobert

 

[Sexual Favors]

No I don't think he's hated by everyone. I just think that there's professional talk, and there's what you think behind the scenes. Openly saying that you want traded is not professional talk because it brings speculation as to why you don't want to be here. This could have been handled a much better way, it hurt himself and hurt the organization, made it harder to find a better deal.

Disagree that this hurt the deal. The timing of trading him now hurt the value of the deal, which is what I've said all year. Him mouthing off only hurt us because the FO allowed it to. Him speaking his mind had little to do with what teams would give for him. OKC, a title contender, still wanted him, and intends to be the ones to sign him in the offseason, despite already having some of the best players in the game. They just weren't a eam with assetts, and they also know the nature of the deal. What they gave us was for Kanter's remaining couple of months. That wouldn't have changed had he had been silent.

I also didn't like the outburst, but it didn't affect his trade value. It may have got him traded because our FO acted out on impulse, and "skipped steps" backwards," but the fact is: Kanter was still approaching RFA, so the time t trade him was this past summer.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Gobert

Who could've played 34 mins a night along with Kanter and Favors if not for DL's mistake of the Trevor Booker expirement, who is a player who will be very close to over the hill by the time we are ready. 30 mins a night would've made all three happy. Fourth big is a Dleaguer for a rainy day.

The problem was, because of Booker, Gobert and Kanter were alternating when they'd play more. Unjustified 18 min nights would be mixed in with their normal sub patterns, all so Quin could fnd time for Booker and Novak.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Uhh, cap space?

Does it matter when there are only so many max players and every team is going to have money?

 

[ijazz]

so stupid. We needed to know if we were trading him by the end of last season, and this is exactly why.

When this deal was announced earlier, and we all thought we were getting the top three protected Detroit pick this year, I was a little more understanding, but this?! Just damn. I am starting t believe DL doesn't know what he's doing.

I know this bullet point will catch flack from some one here, but I see these as bad moves he's made since taking over:

1. Keeping Ty for the last season of his contract, despite the obvious isses it was creating with our young players.
2. Burning a pick and money to move up to get Trey and others whe we could've had Giannis or Schroeder, Gobert and Neto at our initial positions in 13' draft. Trey's limitations were very known, and while Schroeder and Giais were unproen, their obvious talent and unique body types were not.
3. Signing John Lucas III to mentr Trey. Some say it was brilliant be ause he was atabk commander, but I think tthe truth is that JLIII's prior relationship was more at play. Tank Commaner? No. Bad habit reinforcer? Most definitely.
4. Not dealing Al or Paul at the trade deadline. Reports of Sap for Bledsoe were very real. Yes, we'd have to pay him, but look at us now. We just let one of the players walk, who we suppossedly let Al and Paul go or so we could eventually pay. Stupid.
5. Clearing a log jam of good bigs, to turn around and create another one with mediocre bigs. Acquiring Novak and Booker made little sense. He tried to do too much, and it choed out a good prospect.



Reports are OKC intend to sign Enes after the season. If he wins a title with them, the FO is going to look really stupid.

Biggest screw up in my opinion was Hayward.

Rumor was he wanted 4/48 or 4/52. Should have paid him, maybe even gone 5/60.

Now Hayward is 4/63 with an opt out in 3 years (only 2 years away).

I hope Hayward stays but that timing is right after the NBA TV deal , so I have a feeling if Hayward plays like he is now through the next 2 seasons, he opts out and cashes in.

 

[stitches]

Facts are, we traded a 22 yr old who is shooting roughly 50% from the feild, 80% from FT, added a three-point shot which he hits at 31%. Per 36 minute, 18.4 pts and 10.4 reb player for a scrub, a euro who we'll never see, a second round pick, and first which will most likely be two second round picks. We could've got that value by window shopping the Dleague and just let Kanter walk if someone offered him something too high.

How do some of you, even the most ardent Kanter haters, see real value in this?

Don't even say cap space.

We now have 6 first round picks and 11 second round picks in the next 4 years. I will give you a hint. Not all of those will be drafted by the Jazz. Today Boston turned a second rounder and Marcus Thornton into Isaiah Thomas. We have a ton of assets and we will make moves with them at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if we package say ... several first rounders to move in the draft and take a player we really like. I also wouldn't be surprised if we trade some of those assets for players who can help immediately(after the trade).

 

[Sexual Favors]

Biggest screw up in my opinion was Hayward.

Rumor was he wanted 4/48 or 4/52. Should have paid him, maybe even gone 5/60.

Now Hayward is 4/63 with an opt out in 3 years (only 2 years away).

I hope Hayward stays but that timing is right after the NBA TV deal , so I have a feeling if Hayward plays like he is now through the next 2 seasons, he opts out and cashes in.

True.

Getting rid of Kanter, w/o a replacement of similar talent, pushes our timetable back as well. We can't expect Hayward to stick around for a third contract unless we can offer him something more than money.


I am a fan of inking all players before their fourth year, so long as they've proven they belong in the league. Both Enes and Hayward had. A Derrick like signing fo Enes would've allowed us to trade him for a lot more, as everyone knows that the deal will be seen as less the following season. We knew about the TV deal in the summer.


This is just poor foresight abd reactionery GM work.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I like that we'll have an OKC first-rounder in the post-Durant, post-Westbrook era. OKC will do down in flames.

Did you read that it's lottery protected? No chance of getting a great pick from them.

 

[Fishsticks]

Do you disregard what people close to the team hve said after the trade was announced, or do you still believe Kanter is hated by everyone?

It does not matter anymore. You don't need to defend him. Life will be much easier for you from here on out.

 

[Sexual Favors]

We now have 6 first round picks and 11 second round picks in the next 4 years. I will give you a hint. Not all of those will be drafted by the Jazz. Today Boston turned a second rounder and Marcus Thornton into Isaiah Thomas. We have a ton of assets and we will make moves with them at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if we package say ... several first rounders to move in the draft and take a player we really like. I also wouldn't be surprised if we trade some of those assets for players who can help immediately(after the trade).

Yes, it is possible in theory.

Last thing I saw from us like this was us burning the GSW pick to move up and grab Trey (and his very known limitations) when Schroeder and Giannis were available.

Having assets is only good if you are smart with them. Ainge is a master. I now have very good reason to question Lindsey.

Kanter could've netted us a lot more if only handled with foresight.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Facts are, we traded a 22 yr old who is shooting roughly 50% from the feild, 80% from FT, added a three-point shot which he hits at 31%. Per 36 minute, 18.4 pts and 10.4 reb player for a scrub, a euro who we'll never see, a second round pick, and first which will most likely be two second round picks. We could've got that value by window shopping the Dleague and just let Kanter walk if someone offered him something too high.

How do some of you, even the most ardent Kanter haters, see real value in this?

Don't even say cap space.

Enes was a cancer after he demanded a trade. I don't care if he was playing 30+ mins; he never would have remained in Utah if he wasn't a starter. Plain and simple, Gobert took away his job and Kanter ran to his corner like a little dog with his tail tucked between his legs.

Read Hayward's blog. The team is 100% behind Gobert because they can take more chances on defense. Nothing has EVER been said about Kanter making the team better.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yes, it is possible in theory.

Last thing I saw from us like this was us burning the GSW pick to move up and grab Trey (and his very known limitations) when Schroeder and Giannis were available.

Having assets is only good if you are smart with them. Ainge is a master. I now have very good reason to question Lindsey.

Kanter could've netted us a lot more if only handled with foresight.

Yes, DL burned the GS pick. But he also bought a pick to get the player he really wanted with that GS pick.

Please outline why you think Ainge is a master. Also why they have a brighter future than Utah. That roster, to me, is terrible. Smart may turn into a good PG, Sullinger is decent. No one else is special.