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The Thriller said:
Would that be a bad thing? We’ve now seen 3 years of the conservative religious right in action. I for one will be glad to see them gone. Are Bigots, hypocrites, and leeches like Farwell, Robertson, David Duke, Shapiro, and others really contributing positives to our society?

Good riddance to these false priests:

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It goes both ways, today the country mourns the loss of a giant of the Labor movement a day before the federal election.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...knew-bob-loved-them-tributes-paid-to-pm-hawke

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Farewell comrade.
 
Bulletproof said:
First, it's complicated.

I support abortion rights 100%. That part is not complicated.

But I feel that there is no solution, either full abortion rights with almost no restrictions or complete prohibition of abortion and nothing in-between, that is can possibly be "fair" to all involved.

For instance, if a woman wants an abortion but the father of the embryo wants to have that child the woman gets to end the pregnancy and deprive the father the opportunity to have a child. That is not fair.

Or, if a man does not want a child, is not prepared for being a father, has other life goals etc. but the woman wants to keep the pregnancy the man is liable (at the very least) for a portion the expenses of having and raising that child. He has absolutely no say in the matter. That's not fair.

So with full abortion rights a woman's rights her choices have total supremacy over the man's rights in the matter.

However, with total prohibition of abortion a woman has no say in her body being used to bear a child. While pregnancy lasts 9 months, it isn't as simple as that. It isn't over after 9 months even if the child is given up for adoption. I'm not going to try to attempt to list all of the consequences beyond just being pregnant, because there is no way I could do such a list justice. Needless to say, forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy is not fair. And on a scale of fairness, it is much much more not fair than the situations I listed above that pertain to men.

I specifically didn't talk about the fetus because I honestly do not think a fetus has any rights and I personally do not care if a pregnancy is carried to term or not as far as the fetus is concerned. The rights and concerns of the living people involved completely outweigh that of the fetus.
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I agree with you on most all of your points. That's refreshing.

It is very complicated. I suppose, for me, it comes down to when life begins. Having children of my own, it's something I've thought a lot about. When I'm holding that newborn in my arms and looking at his face, I realize that he/she looked exactly like this for weeks now, and there's no way I would abort her now that she's in my arms. But, people do late term abortions all the time.

Obviously the mothers life comes first. I just wish we could stop late term abortions that were simply, "eh, I don't want this baby now." - I have no idea how many of those happen, but I'm sure that they do.


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You know the law sucks *** when Tomi sounds reasonable.

On the bright side, this might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with her on anything:

 
firegirl said:
I agree with you on most all of your points. That's refreshing.

It is very complicated. I suppose, for me, it comes down to when life begins. Having children of my own, it's something I've thought a lot about. When I'm holding that newborn in my arms and looking at his face, I realize that he/she looked exactly like this for weeks now, and there's no way I would abort her now that she's in my arms. But, people do late term abortions all the time.

Obviously the mothers life comes first. I just wish we could stop late term abortions that were simply, "eh, I don't want this baby now." - I have no idea how many of those happen, but I'm sure that they do.


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Well, despite our recent spat I've really liked you as a poster. I think we probably agree on many things, including that JazzAvenues is a great poster.
 
the new law says that abortion is murder but does not make it illegal for the mother to abort a fetus. This seems indefensible. Docs go to jail. This is the same as saying the assassin goes to jail and the mob boss who hired him goes scot free.
 
silesian said:
the new law says that abortion is murder but does not make it illegal for the mother to abort a fetus. This seems indefensible. Docs go to jail. This is the same as saying the assassin goes to jail and the mob boss who hired him goes scot free.
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What punishment does the male who impregnated the woman get? Sounds to me like he should slap some skin in the game...
 
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