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absolutely love this truehoop piece on tanking

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_(basketball)

Do your research before you open your mouth. Robinson broke his foot early in the season and was out with injury the rest of the year. They didn't tank on purpose.
The Spurs also beat the odds to get the #1 pick - whereas Boston had tanked like a Panzer Division to give themselves the best odds at the #1 pick, and still lost out. The Celtics actually did better the following year record-wise, winning an extra 20 games, and draft-wise, picking Paul Pierce at #10.
 
Usually, I agree. BUT this year, for Utah, has been a perfect storm. When you combine the lockout, the stocked draft, Utah's lack of a superstar, and all the other factors, I whole-heartedly think that this year would have better served "tanking."

There are three big time players on this team (or getting paid like big time players). Al, Harris, and Millsap. Harris is Harris. He can be effective, but he is overpaid. He is not worth trading away, but he is good enough to this team with his uptempo play that he isn't worth amnestying. Millsap is very, very valuable with his contract. So he stays. The big linchpin is Al. Is Al worth wasting a shortened year, where at best, you are a 7th or 8th seed in the west? Is it worth playing Al 35 mins a game for a few extra wins (which I would argue he doesn't bring, but we will give him the benefit of the doubt), BUT taking away valuable playing time from Favors and Kanter, instilling bad habits (watch the offense when Al plays, nobody moves, Al doesn't pass, he doesn't play defense, if he misses a couple of shots early he quits on this team, etc, etc, etc).

The question is, "Is Al going to take you to the next level?" The answer is 100% no. Whether you like Al or hate him, he isn't taking this or any team anywhere. Who on this team has the chance to do this? Well, there are 4 players that have that "chance." Burks, Favors, Hayward, Kanter.

Now, let's look at this season. It is short, limited practice time, and a supposedly amazingly stocked draft. Now, we know that to win a title in TODAY's NBA, you need two superstars. Al, Harris and Millsap are not one of those two. So, the Jazz have no known commodities. BUT they do have four players that could take 1-2 of those superstar spots. AND, with a stocked draft, the Jazz have 1-2 chances of finding those two superstars. FINALLY, it is a shortened season, so losing isn't that bad. It's not as bad for the players, it is not as bad for the fans, etc, etc.

So, what do the Jazz do? They blow up a chance at better securing their future, waste a year of development to play Al, and might not end up with a single pick in this draft. It is ridiculous.

The dumbest part of all of this? As a small market team, Utah cannot afford to go into the luxury tax season after season, and they effectively wasted a year of Favor's rookie contract.

The Jazz could have amnestied Jefferson before the year started, given Favors and Hayward 30 mins a night, worked Burks up to that, and given Kanter 15. They might have lost more games (but again, I seriously doubt it), but Favors and Hayward and Burks would be ready to go for next year, with two additional lottery picks in a loaded draft, and a future as bright as OKC's.

Like I said at the beginning, I don't agree with tanking at all. BUT this year was a HUGE exception to the rule. The Jazz may have blew their chance at going from a solid 4-6 seed to a contender by playing Al Jefferson this year.
 
The article actually points out how hard it is to land a franchise player. Which justifies even more why Tanking is the only way

read again, cuz you missed the point. it's saying that if you adopt that mentality and engage in tanking, you're more likely to wind up a perennial loser than a team like the thunder. and history bears that out. the whole point is that OKC isn't the model -- it's the one, glaring exception where everything turned out ok.

and KOC BEGONE, the spurs are not an example of tanking. an injury to the admiral brought them TD, yes, but do you know how they've stayed relevant after that '99 title? by being as good as they can be, but still drafting well LATE in the draft. parker was a #29. manu was a second round pick. the fact that they have two guys that good that they got just by being smart drafters is more evidence that if you put the right guys into a culture where winning is paramount, it doesn't matter where you're drafting.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_(basketball)

Do your research before you open your mouth. Robinson broke his foot early in the season and was out with injury the rest of the year. They didn't tank on purpose.
Yes, yes they did.
I'm old enough to remember that season. They certainly were not going to be great after Robinson's injury, but they gave up in games, just like GS did against NO and the way they mysteriously turned the ball over so many times to allow teams like NJ to come back and win. The Spurs TANKED to get the #1 pick.
 
read again, cuz you missed the point. it's saying that if you adopt that mentality and engage in tanking, you're more likely to wind up a perennial loser than a team like the thunder. and history bears that out. the whole point is that OKC isn't the model -- it's the one, glaring exception where everything turned out ok.

and KOC BEGONE, the spurs are not an example of tanking. an injury to the admiral brought them TD, yes, but do you know how they've stayed relevant after that '99 title? by being as good as they can be, but still drafting well LATE in the draft. parker was a #29. manu was a second round pick. the fact that they have two guys that good that they got just by being smart drafters is more evidence that if you put the right guys into a culture where winning is paramount, it doesn't matter where you're drafting.

I don't think the point of tanking is to continue to tank after you get a franchise player. But, the Spurs did tank and hardily anyone brings it up because time erases those little things. I could see the Spurs tanking again if it suits them in the future.
 
they didn't tank... they played an entire season without their only star.

without robinson, their best player was a past-his-prime wilkins who shot 41% and no longer had the explosiveness to do much else but shoot jumpers. sean elliott was probably their second-best player that season, and even he missed half the season with injury. they were basically led for the entire season by old 'nique, vernon maxwell and avery johnson. that's not tanking, that's just sucking.
 
Nerd must be rolling over in his grave.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235820/Magic-Johnson-Hopes-Lakers-Lose-Enough-To-Keep-Pick

Magic Johnson hopes the Los Angeles Lakers lose enough games to keep their first round pick in the 2015 NBA Draft.

The pick will go to the Phoenix Suns if it falls out of the top-5 as part of the Steve Nash trade.

"I hope the Lakers lose every game," Johnson said, according to Newsday. "Because if you're going to lose, lose. I'm serious."

The Lakers have dealt with a number of injuries, including seventh overall pick Julius Randle.

"If you're going to lose, you have to lose because you can't be in the middle of the pack," Johnson said. "You either have to be great or you have to be bad to get a good pick."



Johnson believes the Lakers are in a position to quickly improve their roster.

"The Lakers are in a good space, too, next summer if they can sign or trade for a talented guy," he said. "I'd rather be all the way bad than be in the middle."


No way are Lakers bottom 5 in the league without tanking. It's an epidemic and Magic is a dirty tanker!
 
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Nerd must be rolling over in his grave.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235820/Magic-Johnson-Hopes-Lakers-Lose-Enough-To-Keep-Pick




No way are Lakers bottom 5 in the league without tanking. It's an epidemic and Magic is a dirty tanker!

Well I'm not going to completely kill him for his statement. After all I was a dirty tanker last year. Lol. I went to the game against the magic and showed disgust when Burke hit that corner three buzzer beater to win the game then getting chewed out by some lady in front of me. :)


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Well I'm not going to completely kill him for his statement. After all I was a dirty tanker last year. Lol. I went to the game against the magic and showed disgust when Burke hit that corner three buzzer beater to win the game then getting chewed out by some lady in front of me. :)


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Also think most of us were dirty tankers. Lol


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