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Adrien Peterson.

IMO this is the single biggest problem in football. The discrepancy between the top earners and bottom earners is nothing short of criminal. In this case the union really works for just the highest-paid players. That needs to change.

If the players lose their appeal and this turns into a long lock out. The lower paid player's are the one that are going to cave fastest. They actually need those checks. The Manning's, Peterson's and Brady's of the world can wait it out.
 
Thanks you guys said it better then I did, but that is what I was trying to say earlier when I said implementing a rookie pay scale and slightly bringing down the max salary contracts should even out the pay distribution.
Also the NFL/Owners need to show the operation costs and other "books" so they can then start working towards the health of players, i.e. insurance, retired players and benefits. Of course the players would also need to realize they may need to take a small hit now but it would benefit them later when they retire on top of to take care of the players that laid the ground work and allowed them to make these multi-million dollar contracts.
 
We watch the games for the studs, not for the bottom feeders. The studs are what drives the tv contracts and revenues, the marketing, the merchandising, the ticket sales, and quite frankly should therefore be the ones getting paid beaucoup bucks. No one gives a **** about Philly dime CB Joselio Hansen other than his family and a small portion of Eagles' fans. If he has a problem making $300,000 per year or whatever he makes for a few years than too bad. Like every other person in the world, he can get another job. That's why he got his degree or should have. It's no secret the NFL lifespan is short and guys like him who realize coming out of college that they are fringe NFL players and maybe always will be (which is pretty much 95% of the players who are drafted) should wisely plan out their life in case they can't cut it in the league.

The league owes them nothing. The great players who make the money for the league don't either. There should be no maximum salary for players. If a team wants to offer a guy what is essentially 20-25M per for Brady or Manning then so be it. Now, I do think we're pretty much all in agreement that a rookie salary scale does need to be put in place though. These dollar amounts need to be slashed by about 50% in my opinion. Maybe more. If that's done, than the rookie and veteran minimum can be jacked up a fair amount, say 15-20%, with still money leftover for the studs to have the potential to get bigger contracts.
 
Originially I was throwing my support behind the owners, but with the way Goodell is going about business, it's making it hard for me to support them. I still like the owner's point of view better, but they are suffering from some very bad leadership right now. Perhaps Mike Vrabel is right when he says it's the owners and players who need to sit down and hammer this thing out without Goodell and his cronies in the room.

I think you can put 99% of this mess on the fact that it's not Tagliabue and Gene Upshaw working out the deal. Goodell and NFLPA head D. Smith are clearly in over their head's.
 
We watch the games for the studs, not for the bottom feeders. The studs are what drives the tv contracts and revenues, the marketing, the merchandising, the ticket sales, and quite frankly should therefore be the ones getting paid beaucoup bucks. No one gives a **** about Philly dime CB Joselio Hansen other than his family and a small portion of Eagles' fans. If he has a problem making $300,000 per year or whatever he makes for a few years than too bad. Like every other person in the world, he can get another job. That's why he got his degree or should have. It's no secret the NFL lifespan is short and guys like him who realize coming out of college that they are fringe NFL players and maybe always will be (which is pretty much 95% of the players who are drafted) should wisely plan out their life in case they can't cut it in the league.

The league owes them nothing. The great players who make the money for the league don't either. There should be no maximum salary for players. If a team wants to offer a guy what is essentially 20-25M per for Brady or Manning then so be it. Now, I do think we're pretty much all in agreement that a rookie salary scale does need to be put in place though. These dollar amounts need to be slashed by about 50% in my opinion. Maybe more. If that's done, than the rookie and veteran minimum can be jacked up a fair amount, say 15-20%, with still money leftover for the studs to have the potential to get bigger contracts.

Umm, that's a nice rant and all, but we're getting into the player's union vs. conspiring monopoly ownership dynamic in here.

Hey, maybe you can start a brand new thread with The Pearl where situational nuances are lost to chest pump worthy ideologies. But hey, both those unions matter not a bit to the current circumstance, right? "Let's go ideology, let's go".

What do you know, I'm just in time for a March Madness game or two.
 
Umm, that's a nice rant and all, but we're getting into the player's union vs. conspiring monopoly ownership dynamic in here.

Hey, maybe you can start a brand new thread with The Pearl where situational nuances are lost to chest pump worthy ideologies. But hey, both those unions matter not a bit to the current circumstance, right? "Let's go ideology, let's go".

What do you know, I'm just in time for a March Madness game or two.

Way to bring nothing to the table except a rant yourself. Please explain to me why a guy who's the 52nd or 53rd guy on the roster and brings absolutely nothing to the table when it comes to team or league revenues is concerned, and was or is that close to being cut for some other player because their difference in talent and such is indiscernible, should reap the benefits of a greater salary. Please give me one single reason as to why.

As I see it, you don't really have a reason.
 
Way to bring nothing to the table except a rant yourself. Please explain to me why a guy who's the 52nd or 53rd guy on the roster and brings absolutely nothing to the table when it comes to team or league revenues is concerned, and was or is that close to being cut for some other player because their difference in talent and such is indiscernible, should reap the benefits of a greater salary. Please give me one single reason as to why.

As I see it, you don't really have a reason.
You could say almost the same thing about the star players.

Yeah, Adrien Peterson is better than the 53rd guy on the roster. But is he that much (or any) better than Arian Foster? And Arian Foster was an undrafted free agent.

Or you could say hyped star versus hyped star... Is Tom Brady (a roster scrub at one time) any better than Payton Manning?

Football is a team game. So much depends on the team a player is on, the coaching, and even a little luck here and there. Just because Chris Johnson is a star in Tennessee doesn't mean he would be a star in Arizona.

I get your argument, the better players deserve more. But it isn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be. A lot of those scrubs would be star players too if given the right opportunity and a lot of those star players would be average or even scrubs if they hadn't got the right opportunity.

The star players do deserve more, I agree. But the guy out there literally risking his life every day shouldn't be making 300 grand while the star makes 10 million for doing the exact same thing. Even if you don't see them in the game, they are still practicing every day.

I would be fine if instead of a 10 mil versus 300 grand discrepancy it was more like 6 or 7 mil versus 1 or 2 mil.

Even the scrubs have fans. People on this board were talking about which team they were rooting for in the super bowl because so many scrubs on the roster went to Utah or BYU.
 
Way to bring nothing to the table except a rant yourself. Please explain to me why a guy who's the 52nd or 53rd guy on the roster and brings absolutely nothing to the table when it comes to team or league revenues is concerned, and was or is that close to being cut for some other player because their difference in talent and such is indiscernible, should reap the benefits of a greater salary. Please give me one single reason as to why.

As I see it, you don't really have a reason.

What do you suppose a union is for? Not the Brady's and Mannings.

You do realize every American except professional athletes benefits from disability programs, right? Try paying taxes into that for two whole weeks before breaking your neck and see how well it turns out for you.

Your idea is fine if you want to abolish the players union and the conspiring, revenue sharing, monopoly ownership who selectively restrict team ownership. There's nothing free market about professional sports and there is zero effective competition. A person who wanted to buy in and do gooder with player employees--stock option, 401k, pension, what have you--wouldn't be let in by the colluding ownership, and wouldn't be allowed to even if she was allowed to purchase a franchise.

If it was a free market situation then I'd agree with you 100%, but the fact of the day is it is nowhere near. What do you suppose the union should do? There's no point in having one if it doesn't do what unions are supposed to do.
 
What do you suppose a union is for? Not the Brady's and Mannings.

You do realize every American except professional athletes benefits from disability programs, right? Try paying taxes into that for two whole weeks before breaking your neck and see how well it turns out for you.

Your idea is fine if you want to abolish the players union and the conspiring, revenue sharing, monopoly ownership who selectively restrict team ownership. There's nothing free market about professional sports and there is zero effective competition. A person who wanted to buy in and do gooder with player employees--stock option, 401k, pension, what have you--wouldn't be let in by the colluding ownership, and wouldn't be allowed to even if she was allowed to purchase a franchise.

If it was a free market situation then I'd agree with you 100%, but the fact of the day is it is nowhere near. What do you suppose the union should do? There's no point in having one if it doesn't do what unions are supposed to do.

So what are unions supposed to do? Most, to my knowledge, began to prevent employees (often young) from being overworked and underpaid. This was before minimum wage and child labor laws. In essence, it was to protect the employee. No?
 
You could say almost the same thing about the star players.

Yeah, Adrien Peterson is better than the 53rd guy on the roster. But is he that much (or any) better than Arian Foster? And Arian Foster was an undrafted free agent.

Or you could say hyped star versus hyped star... Is Tom Brady (a roster scrub at one time) any better than Payton Manning?

Football is a team game. So much depends on the team a player is on, the coaching, and even a little luck here and there. Just because Chris Johnson is a star in Tennessee doesn't mean he would be a star in Arizona.

I get your argument, the better players deserve more. But it isn't as cut and dry as you make it out to be. A lot of those scrubs would be star players too if given the right opportunity and a lot of those star players would be average or even scrubs if they hadn't got the right opportunity.

The star players do deserve more, I agree. But the guy out there literally risking his life every day shouldn't be making 300 grand while the star makes 10 million for doing the exact same thing. Even if you don't see them in the game, they are still practicing every day.

I would be fine if instead of a 10 mil versus 300 grand discrepancy it was more like 6 or 7 mil versus 1 or 2 mil.

Even the scrubs have fans. People on this board were talking about which team they were rooting for in the super bowl because so many scrubs on the roster went to Utah or BYU.

We'll agree to disagree then. 300K or whatever the minimum is is nothing to sneeze at. Should these guys get better benefits for life after football? Of course. Goodell doing nothing about it or pretending he cares disgusts me. But I just don't feel too badly for guys making 300K.

Supposedly, they NFL and NFLPA had agreed to a rookie pay scale before the union decertified. In my opinion, that freed money should be divied up as such: 30%--into retired players bennies and pensions 30%--raise minimum salary scale 25%--owners 15%--leftover for players deserving of it
Everyone wins in this scenario.
 
This is kind of related:

https://www.thenation.com/blog/159361/wish-nfl-wife

The Wish of an NFL Wife

by Jaclyn Fujita

I am a pro football player's wife amd my husband has been knocking heads for the last 20+ years. We choose this path. The burden—whatever it may be—rests on our shoulders. This was the dream we decided to chase.

Honestly, though, I don't know that we were fully aware of the ultimate reality of the National Football League. We learned the hard way that he would work his *** into the ground, playing every defensive down and special teams, and would be the lowest paid man on the roster. That he would experience multiple concussions, but remain on the field. That he would suffer full ligament tears and shouldn't have been walking, but team doctors would tell him it was a "minor sprain" and should still play. That even though you have given your heart and soul to a team, they can easily replace you with a rookie who has never played in the NFL before.

My husband could have lost his life to a staph infection. His NFL doctors and trainers were heating/icing/stemming his knee for a bursa-sac rupture and ignoring all the major signs of infection, while his body was screaming that something else must be wrong. He ended up in an emergency operation weeks after symptoms began. Following five nights in hospital isolation and many weeks beating back the infection, he was ready to play for the city we love and a team we built our life around. He would help them win the coveted Super Bowl Championship. Less than a month later he would be gone, feeling completely expendable and replaceable as if his blood, sweat and tears did not matter.

Now I know many don't want to hear our complaints: we made our bed and now we have to lie in it. But what about the pro football players of tomorrow who have no idea what they are stepping into? Boys who are playing football because they love it and have found something they are really good at? They see the pride on their family's faces every time they strap on that helmet, but these young men have no idea of the pain they will endure or the true uncertainty of their career choice. They have no idea how long they will work or when their bodies will say "no" to the abuse. What these men need to know is that as they step on the field and risk major injury—while generating billions of dollars for this industry—the billionaires who write the checks are not looking out for them. They need to know that they are going to be lied to. They need to know that when they suffer an injury they will be told they should buck up and play.

But the day will come when they decide to walk away from the sport they played for the last 20 years of their lives. The sport which taught them to play through pain, to never complain, to never stop, to yell, to scream, to hit, to fight, to destroy the man in front of them, to work until they puke, to lay their body on the line every Sunday and just hope that they walk off that field and aren't carried. That day will come when they leave this game—the game that used them and abused them, yet the game they loved so passionately.

Each man will walk away thinking that if his knees are to give out, hopefully it happens in the next 5 years before his health coverage expires. And if he has to cover himself with money from his own pocket, he will hope it doesn't break him. Insurance companies aren't looking to cover the 10-year veteran pro football player with the pounding migraines and ALS or severe depression that could be lurking just around the corner. His knees and back are sure to give out faster than the average person, and he may lose his mind due to all the concussions.

And here they are, simply asking the men who profit from their work, to PLEASE look after their health, as they should have done throughout their career. They ask this so that someday, the young boy who chooses this path knows he will be protected the way he deserves. So his mother, wife, or child will know that even though that hit looks awful, there is someone on the sideline with his best interests at heart. So future NFL wives who watch their husbands unable to get out of a chair on a Tuesday, yet still strap it come Sunday, will be taken care of. So the man who is sacrificing his body and mind for the thrill of the game can be confident that his work will not go unnoticed. He will not be forgotten. He will not go unprotected. He will have earned the right to be taken care of for life. He will be kept safe from his damaged body and mind. For it was those bodies and minds of 53 men on 32 teams who every year generate billions of dollars for this industry. They deserve to be cared about.

That is my wish for tomorrow's boys, men, mothers, fathers, and wives who will build their lives around this American pastime. They will have something when their money runs out. And when their aches and pains become unbearable, they will have the comfort of knowing that their blood, sweat and tears will carry them for the rest of their lives. They did not sacrifice their health and well-being for nothing. They will not be forgotten.
 

I'd feel all sorry for them. And I really do for the players that have been retired without making good money (players retired more than 10 years ago). Except I'm 36 been in construction for 18 years now and have a lot of these same problems and have not in my entire construction career made what every NFL player makes in 2 years. I have a bad back, hip, and knee because of the abuse my body takes working in construction and I'm not making near what these players make. I also have to pay for my own insurance, or a % of it when I worked for somebody else. They have the money to retire at 36 and move forward while I will probably still be doing this 2o years from now. (thanks to the ****** economy that forced me back in the field). So I have little sympathy for these player's making that money. They chose it, just like I did. Live with your decision, just like I will. I am all for the NFL having insurance for their retired members. But that is not what this bunch of players are fighting for.
 
I'd feel all sorry for them. And I really do for the players that have been retired without making good money (players retired more than 10 years ago). Except I'm 36 been in construction for 18 years now and have a lot of these same problems and have not in my entire construction career made what every NFL player makes in 2 years. I have a bad back, hip, and knee because of the abuse my body takes working in construction and I'm not making near what these players make. I also have to pay for my own insurance, or a % of it when I worked for somebody else. They have the money to retire at 36 and move forward while I will probably still be doing this 2o years from now. (thanks to the ****** economy that forced me back in the field). So I have little sympathy for these player's making that money. They chose it, just like I did. Live with your decision, just like I will. I am all for the NFL having insurance for their retired members. But that is not what this bunch of players are fighting for.

Believe me, I am with you and agree with pretty much everything you said. I don't feel "sorry" for them either. I am also busting my *** to earn a middle class wage.

However, imagine if someone else was making 20 or 30 times what you make, doing the exact same job as you. And imagine if almost every company had someone doing your exact same job but paid them 20 or 30 times as much as you. And no matter what you do, no matter how good you may be, you will never get up to that salary level. If you even ask for a raise, you're fired and replaced with some kid who has never even worked in your industry before.
 
Believe me, I am with you and agree with pretty much everything you said. I don't feel "sorry" for them either. I am also busting my *** to earn a middle class wage.

However, imagine if someone else was making 20 or 30 times what you make, doing the exact same job as you. And imagine if almost every company had someone doing your exact same job but paid them 20 or 30 times as much as you. And no matter what you do, no matter how good you may be, you will never get up to that salary level. If you even ask for a raise, you're fired and replaced with some kid who has never even worked in your industry before.

Yea I agree that would make it more difficult to deal with.
 
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