Affordable Care?

[jimmy eat jazz]

As you have so aptly not shown in this thread. Very well done.


Is that the trolling response you were looking for?

Of course not. With over 10,000 posts in little over two years, you're obviously the board's know-it-all. The Cliff Clavin of Jazzfanz.

I'm beyond expecting any good faith, non-aholish response from you.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

It amazes me that you can be so close to the truth and yet still walk lock step in time to the Dems beat.

I think you have no frigg'n idea what you're talking about.

Let's begin with this. I'm not a Democrat.

 

[Stoked]

Of course not. With over 10,000 posts in little over two years, you're obviously the board's know-it-all. The Cliff Clavin of Jazzfanz.

I'm beyond expecting any good faith, non-aholish response from you.

As I am beyond expecting any rational thought from you. Continue to preach your liberal talking points brother!

 

[Stoked]

I think you have no frigg'n idea what you're talking about.

Let's begin with this. I'm not a Democrat.

And yet every topic that comes up you are in line with their talking points. Also for the record the repubs are a similar evil. I am not defending them as much as I am having fun at your expense.

As for how Obamacare will be view in the future. Well that all comes down to personal perspective. I am sure some will view it as you have said. I am willing to bet that a sizeable portion will not view it that way as well.

 

[Qman]

You evidently lack the historical content to speak knowledgable on this topic.

For the record, and as my last comment on the matter, I believe, and I am highly confident, that history will prove me right, that years from now, Obamacare will be seen as one of the most significant progressive reforms of our time, much like social security, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, etc. are seen today as some of the most significant progressive reforms of their time.

The fact is also that for every single significant progressive reform over time (I’ve provided a sampling in my earlier post) that sought to make this country more equitable and fair, to enshrine the principles of human dignity, to extend civil rights and liberties to all, to protect the weak against entrenched economic and social forces, to shift the balance of power somewhat in the direction of the powerless, to ensure the ability to participate freely and as equal members in the social, economic, and political realm, and to provide for the basic needs and safety net for all has been opposed by a shifting coalition of conservative forces representing the entrenched power structure and abetted at different times by ideologues of different stripes, traditional and dogmatic religion, racists, bigots, well-meaning principled people, and other forces. Usually these forces have predicted some version of social or economic doomsday should the progressive reform be approved—a doomsday that has universally failed to materialize. More, in hindsight and outside of a relatively small number of angry ideologues, society has also nearly universally reached general consensus after the fact that the reform in question was actually a good thing after all.

The march of US history is toward the extension of civil rights and liberties, social and economic protections, provision of basic needs, etc. to ALL of its citizens. Those who have fought this process have consistently been on the wrong side of this history, and those who continue to fight it will, extrapolating from experience, again be on the wrong side of history. The extension of health care access to all citizens is a natural extension of this process. To say that Babe and others who fought so hard to derail universal health care access are on the wrong side of history seems to me to be a rather straightforward conclusion.

Do people still say that social security is a good thing?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-life-The-social-costs-of-fewer-families.html

Society is trending towards less and less children. Less children mean less people to pay for healthcare, social security, etc. If the trend continues, then we will reach a breaking point.

Just because something has worked out in the past doesn't guarantee it will in the future.

 

[Scat]

The Congressional Budget Office has determined that over 7 million people will be cut from employer provided health care as it will be cheaper for employers to pay the penalty rather than insure their employees due to changes implemented by Obamacare.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/blo...3/feb/5/obama-health-law-will-cost-7-million/

President Obama's health care law will push 7 million people out of their job-based insurance coverage — nearly twice the previous estimate, according to the latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday.

 

[candrew]

The Congressional Budget Office has determined that over 7 million people will be cut from employer provided health care as it will be cheaper for employers to pay the penalty rather than insure their employees due to changes implemented by Obamacare.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/blo...3/feb/5/obama-health-law-will-cost-7-million/

Thus creating an overwhealming demand to expand Obamacare to a Single Payer System?

Maybe this was the desired effect.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Thus creating an overwhealming demand to expand Obamacare to a Single Payer System?

Maybe this was the desired effect.

One can only hope

our current system of, "Don't get sick or else you're screwed" is easily thee worst system in the world.

It's amazing to me that the wealthiest country in the world has such a backwards system. And that we have billions to piss away in the middle east yet we don't even value our own citizenry enough to provide them with health care.

 

[Deleted member 365]

That right there is the problem. You are not supposed to infer or assume anything. You are actually supposed to find out what the hell you are talking about before you do reply.

This coming from a guy who claimed for weeks and weeks that Romney was going to win and belittled anyone else with a different opinion??? HILARIOUS!

 

[Deleted member 365]

Do people still say that social security is a good thing?

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-life-The-social-costs-of-fewer-families.html

Society is trending towards less and less children. Less children mean less people to pay for healthcare, social security, etc. If the trend continues, then we will reach a breaking point.

Just because something has worked out in the past doesn't guarantee it will in the future.

And yet we keep spending more and more in defense...

Curious.

Why aren't these same concerns over money (ever) ever looked under the same microscope that repubs do with SS, education, or health care?

 

[Scat]

And yet we keep spending more and more in defense...

Curious.

Why aren't these same concerns over money (ever) ever looked under the same microscope that repubs do with SS, education, or health care?

The Constitution spells out the fed's responsibility for defense. It says nothing about SS, education or health care.

 

[Deleted member 365]

The Constitution spells out the fed's responsibility for defense. It says nothing about SS, education or health care.

Oh really? The Constitution says nothing about the Air Force. So if we were to take everything "literally" then the Air Force would be declared unConstitutional. Plus, "defense" is so vague. A term that could be used for anything.... AS you repubs have cleverly done so well over the past few years. You're "defending" us by checking our emails. Or by invading Iraq... Which... WTF? Had nothing to do with anything.

Is this really what the FF had in mind?

The bottom line is this, if we REALLY want to tackle the "debt" problem then why wouldn't you want to check out the defense spending? Scat, do you really believe there isn't waste there? There isn't fraud? There aren't folks taking advantage of the blank checks that we send to them annually?

Your (fake patriotism) of "defending" of the Constitution is a blatant punch in the face of the Constitution as you refuse to analyze what should be analyzed and cut what most likely is in MOST need of cutting.

What we need aren't more partisan dirtbags. What we need are REAL Patriots that aren't afraid to shake things up and look at things logically and rationally regardless of special interest or party. I think we'll find that the department which has seen a DOUBLING in funding over the past decade probably is wasting far more money than you think. Our current health care system, is a complete joke.

If we have money to piss away in Iraq and Afghanistan then by damn we have enough money to give Americans health care. That's just so damn obvious it's amazing that repubs still can't see this even after their *** whooping just a few months ago. Time to focus on America folks. If you folks continue to just bitch, obstruct, and offer zero realistic alternatives, then you'll lose again in 2016.