NotDeadYet
Well-Known Member
Then when he goes to PF, he comes alive. So, maybe he needs most of his PT at PF, me thinks... If he can't handle bigger PFs, cut his overall minutes. I have never liked his game at SF!
AK didnt emerge
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candrew
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I've defended AK for years but he should have been benched after his 8th missed jump shot that didn't even come close to going in.
The fact that he (as well as the entire team for that matter) had to wait until they reached absolute rock bottom before they started playing hard is uninspiring to say the least.
The fact that he (as well as the entire team for that matter) had to wait until they reached absolute rock bottom before they started playing hard is uninspiring to say the least.
//r00t 4 Jazz
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Unfortunately when he misses a few games historically he comes back slowly, he started playing better in the 2nd half. Next year if he makes around 5-6mil mark he'll be playing what his contract is
Orange4Life
Member
AK missed a 20 foot jumper as bad as I have ever seen any NBA player outside of desperation shot by a center, and thats saying something with the shots chucker and bell take. He missed by a full yard.
DutchJazzer
Banned
he still sucks.
Andrei Makes His Case
A fun walk down memory lane.....
Andrei Makes His Case
His price tag is set, and Andrei Kirilenko -- seeking a max-money contract extension from the Jazz -- doesn't seem willing to mark himself down.
"I want to get the money which I'm worth," said Kirilenko, whose agent, Marc Fleisher, is engaged in sputtering contract-extension negotiations with the Jazz. "That's it."
Actually, that's just the beginning.
On Wednesday, Fleisher said, "We're far apart on what we (the Jazz and Kirilenko's camp) both see his value as being." A deadline of Oct. 31 to either agree to terms or risk having the Jazz's 23-year- old All-Star forward become a restricted free agent next summer is fast approaching. So Thursday, Kirilenko himself made a case for why he will not back down from his demand for a six-year, $86 million deal.
"I think every NBA player," he said, "is like product, in the NBA's market.
"You know, if you go into the store and want to buy milk, it costs three bucks. And (if) you say, 'Well, no, I don't think it costs three bucks, it costs two bucks,' . . . it's still three bucks."
Kirilenko thinks he's worth 86 million bucks -- not 80, not 76, not a penny less than big man Paul Gasol recently managed to wrestle from the Memphis Grizzlies.
And if he does not get it, well, Kirilenko doesn't know what he'll do.
"This is my job -- to play basketball," he said. "I have like 10, or 13, years more (to) my career. I can't do anything except basketball.
"So, you know, if I don't get money which I'm worth, maybe I should change my job," Kirilenko added. "Maybe I should go to work like a journalist, and I will cost like, I don't know, a thousand bucks a mThe Jazz and Kirilenko are believed to be about $10 million apart.
Fleisher said he is "not optimistic" the gap will be bridged, especially since he is not willing to discount his client.
The Jazz feel they deserve some sort of significant monetary break for agreeing to give Kirilenko his big-bucks deal now -- but you won't hear that from Kevin O'Connor, the club's senior vice president for basketball operations.
"Our negotiations will stay in-house," O'Connor said Thursday. "Look," he added, "Andrei's agent, what he's trying to do is get Andrei a deal. If he wants to talk in the papers and go public, that's great. I've got no comment."
Kirilenko, however, had plenty to say prior to Thursday's training- camp practice.
"I don't think we're talking the right market (value), really," he said.
Chastised by Jazz owner Larry H. Miller for saying he was "a little unhappy" the deal was not done prior to the opening of camp last week, Kirilenko isn't sure what will happen now -- and isn't hesitant to say it.
"I don't want to say I'm discouraged, but -- that's life," he said. "That's life, and you can't bet what's gonna happen tomorrow or day after tomorrow.
"I want to be taken care of, but I'm always ready for bad," Kirilenko added. "I'm telling you -- all my career, all my life, every time I'm thinking good, but I'm ready for bad."
If it were to come to a worst-case scenario -- no extension signed -- Kirilenko insisted he will not be adversely influenced during his fourth year in Utah.
He did not sound terrifically convincing, however.
"Don't worry about it," said Kirilenko, a married father of one who will make $1.67 million this season. "I'm a basketball player, a professional basketball player.
"This will not be on my mind during the season," he added. "But it forces me to think about my future, for sure. About my family, about my career. It probably (indicates) how important I am for the team."
With the Jazz signing Detroit center Mehmet Okur to a six-year, $50 million deal and Cleveland power forward Carlos Boozer to a six- year, $68 million deal this past offseason, Kirilenko feels he is next in line.
"Maybe some products are too high," he said, "but they've already set up the market. . . . They signed Boozer, they signed Okur in the summer, and right now I'm like walk-on."
Kirilenko suggested he was not looking for public sympathy.
Perhaps understanding, though.
"I don't even want to try to play with public, with people, with the fans," he said. "This is just my opinion."
Just like he has an opinion on most everything, including the price of a gallon of milk.
"Nobody will sell you," he said, "for two bucks."
....I wanted to make a "Hey Andrei, the milk's gone sour!!!" sign like 5 years ago and every year since. ugh.
A fun walk down memory lane.....
Andrei Makes His Case
His price tag is set, and Andrei Kirilenko -- seeking a max-money contract extension from the Jazz -- doesn't seem willing to mark himself down.
"I want to get the money which I'm worth," said Kirilenko, whose agent, Marc Fleisher, is engaged in sputtering contract-extension negotiations with the Jazz. "That's it."
Actually, that's just the beginning.
On Wednesday, Fleisher said, "We're far apart on what we (the Jazz and Kirilenko's camp) both see his value as being." A deadline of Oct. 31 to either agree to terms or risk having the Jazz's 23-year- old All-Star forward become a restricted free agent next summer is fast approaching. So Thursday, Kirilenko himself made a case for why he will not back down from his demand for a six-year, $86 million deal.
"I think every NBA player," he said, "is like product, in the NBA's market.
"You know, if you go into the store and want to buy milk, it costs three bucks. And (if) you say, 'Well, no, I don't think it costs three bucks, it costs two bucks,' . . . it's still three bucks."
Kirilenko thinks he's worth 86 million bucks -- not 80, not 76, not a penny less than big man Paul Gasol recently managed to wrestle from the Memphis Grizzlies.
And if he does not get it, well, Kirilenko doesn't know what he'll do.
"This is my job -- to play basketball," he said. "I have like 10, or 13, years more (to) my career. I can't do anything except basketball.
"So, you know, if I don't get money which I'm worth, maybe I should change my job," Kirilenko added. "Maybe I should go to work like a journalist, and I will cost like, I don't know, a thousand bucks a mThe Jazz and Kirilenko are believed to be about $10 million apart.
Fleisher said he is "not optimistic" the gap will be bridged, especially since he is not willing to discount his client.
The Jazz feel they deserve some sort of significant monetary break for agreeing to give Kirilenko his big-bucks deal now -- but you won't hear that from Kevin O'Connor, the club's senior vice president for basketball operations.
"Our negotiations will stay in-house," O'Connor said Thursday. "Look," he added, "Andrei's agent, what he's trying to do is get Andrei a deal. If he wants to talk in the papers and go public, that's great. I've got no comment."
Kirilenko, however, had plenty to say prior to Thursday's training- camp practice.
"I don't think we're talking the right market (value), really," he said.
Chastised by Jazz owner Larry H. Miller for saying he was "a little unhappy" the deal was not done prior to the opening of camp last week, Kirilenko isn't sure what will happen now -- and isn't hesitant to say it.
"I don't want to say I'm discouraged, but -- that's life," he said. "That's life, and you can't bet what's gonna happen tomorrow or day after tomorrow.
"I want to be taken care of, but I'm always ready for bad," Kirilenko added. "I'm telling you -- all my career, all my life, every time I'm thinking good, but I'm ready for bad."
If it were to come to a worst-case scenario -- no extension signed -- Kirilenko insisted he will not be adversely influenced during his fourth year in Utah.
He did not sound terrifically convincing, however.
"Don't worry about it," said Kirilenko, a married father of one who will make $1.67 million this season. "I'm a basketball player, a professional basketball player.
"This will not be on my mind during the season," he added. "But it forces me to think about my future, for sure. About my family, about my career. It probably (indicates) how important I am for the team."
With the Jazz signing Detroit center Mehmet Okur to a six-year, $50 million deal and Cleveland power forward Carlos Boozer to a six- year, $68 million deal this past offseason, Kirilenko feels he is next in line.
"Maybe some products are too high," he said, "but they've already set up the market. . . . They signed Boozer, they signed Okur in the summer, and right now I'm like walk-on."
Kirilenko suggested he was not looking for public sympathy.
Perhaps understanding, though.
"I don't even want to try to play with public, with people, with the fans," he said. "This is just my opinion."
Just like he has an opinion on most everything, including the price of a gallon of milk.
"Nobody will sell you," he said, "for two bucks."
....I wanted to make a "Hey Andrei, the milk's gone sour!!!" sign like 5 years ago and every year since. ugh.
BetterThanESPN
Member
Matt Harpring is disappointed in you, dutch. GOTTA BELIEVE, BABY!
prodigy
Well-Known Member
a question we have to answer at the end of the year:
guy is entering his 30's, do we really want to keep his frail, aged body around for the rebuilding project?
i think some people are delusional, they still see that fresh new 20 year old russian with a promising future.
guy is entering his 30's, do we really want to keep his frail, aged body around for the rebuilding project?
i think some people are delusional, they still see that fresh new 20 year old russian with a promising future.
DutchJazzer
Banned
funny thing when jazz dont resign him. he will have a near all star season
jope
Well-Known Member
split his 17,823,000 dollars hes making this year into 82 games
$217,353 dollars per game
split his $217,353 per game into basic stats from tonights game to make an imaginary pay stub
Fg% -%14 (2 of 14) salary paid for service- $36,225
Rebs - 6 salary paid for service- $36,225
blocks - 1 salary paid for service- $36,225
assists - 2 salary paid for service- $36,225
Points - 11 salary paid for service- $36,225
TO's - 2 salary paid for service- $36,225
$217,353 dollars per game
split his $217,353 per game into basic stats from tonights game to make an imaginary pay stub
Fg% -%14 (2 of 14) salary paid for service- $36,225
Rebs - 6 salary paid for service- $36,225
blocks - 1 salary paid for service- $36,225
assists - 2 salary paid for service- $36,225
Points - 11 salary paid for service- $36,225
TO's - 2 salary paid for service- $36,225
Andre will never be close to an All-Star again. What is truly sad is I was one of the people that argued he was worth max money. In my defense, I have been repenting for well over four years. He was a pretty good player until Eisley fell on his leg. Since then he has been largely disinterested on the court, and has played very cautiously, which highlights his inadequate offensive skills. Also, he spends offseasons trying to collect his free pass instead of working on his game/body to improve. Every once in a while he will apply himself just to show fans that he can actually make a positive difference. If Utah resigns him, it will show that the Jazz care nothing about winning. I wouldn't mind if they sign him for 3 years -9 million. That's right, I think he should pay the Jazz 3 million a year for the years of wasted talent, lack of effort, and most importantly for eating all the cap so Utah couldn't bring in decent players. AK sucks, and I would rather have Bell. That's saying alot, because Bell sucks. Ak has talent, Bell plays hard. In a perfect world, we could use the 20 mil they get to sign someone that plays hard with talent. Please GREG, DO NOT RESIGN ANDREA.
DutchJazzer
Banned
I was also thought back than he was worth max.