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AKMVP said:
Just when I thought I saw it all comes this newest absurd from Thriller. Can't wait to see what you say after AK is back to his usual 5x5 self under Adelman. Sloan sucked as coach since NBA allowed zone defense and was constantly outcoached by Pop,Jackson and others who knew how to utilize three ball and wing play, thankfully he is retired and we do not need to worry about him anymore. Oddly enough he did his best coaching job when he deviated from his PG to PF dominated offense in 2004 ( led by AK ). To bad he had no guts/brains to continue with something new and fresh and needed to recreate his Stockton to Malone clone with DWill and Boozer. Somehow no other NBA team offered him the job... GM's must know how outdated Sloan is and his losing playoff record speaks for itself.
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Sloan has been interviewed for a couple of jobs before withdrawing from consideration. I think he's earned the right to be picky about what head coaching job he wants, if any.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
AK: The only player in pro sports' history whose underachievement can be blamed on a coach.
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Not underachievement. You using wrong word

Definition of UNDERUTILIZE
: to utilize less than fully or below the potential use

And history in sports is full of examples when players shine under different coaches when used properly. AK will be perfect example of one.
 
AKMVP said:
Just when I thought I saw it all comes this newest absurd from Thriller. Can't wait to see what you say after AK is back to his usual 5x5 self under Adelman. Sloan sucked as coach since NBA allowed zone defense and was constantly outcoached by Pop,Jackson and others who knew how to utilize three ball and wing play, thankfully he is retired and we do not need to worry about him anymore. Oddly enough he did his best coaching job when he deviated from his PG to PF dominated offense in 2004 ( led by AK ). To bad he had no guts/brains to continue with something new and fresh and needed to recreate his Stockton to Malone clone with DWill and Boozer. Somehow no other NBA team offered him the job... GM's must know how outdated Sloan is and his losing playoff record speaks for itself.
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You're right.

Sloan sucked. The Jazz would have done so much more had they fired him and hired on someone like Avery Johnson or Vinny Del Negro.

As do Pop and Phil. They suck too. I mean, who doesn't outcoach Phil and Pop? How embarrassing.

I also blame AK's visa issues back in 07 on Sloan. It was all Sloan's fault for AK making vacation plans and visa stuff during the playoffs. What was Sloan thinking?
 
The Thriller said:
You're right.

Sloan sucked.
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Obviously. Just few more month left until AK haters will be faced with sad but true fact - AK shines under different coach which proves that Sloan was the one to blame for underutilizing one of the best players in Jazz history.
 
AKMVP said:
Obviously. Just few more month left until AK haters will be faced with sad but true fact - AK shines under different coach which proves that Sloan was the one to blame for underutilizing one of the best players in Jazz history.
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Obviously the coach would be the one to blame for underutilizing a player. But is the coach also to blame for a player not adjusting his game in a way that helps the team?
 
AKMVP said:
Obviously. Just few more month left until AK haters will be faced with sad but true fact - AK shines under different coach which proves that Sloan was the one to blame for underutilizing one of the best players in Jazz history.
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And then shortly after that all the AK lovers will have to face the sad but true fact: AK sucks when he isn't the best player on the team.

It's going to be very interesting to see how AK responds to being the 5th option on that team.
 
SaltyDawg said:
And then shortly after that all the AK lovers will have to face the sad but true fact: AK sucks when he isn't the best player on the team.

It's going to be very interesting to see how AK responds to being the 5th option on that team.
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You probably do not remember Adelman's Kings with Peja, Divac, Webber, Christy, Williams...There is no 5th option in his system, so AK is doing just fine. If you would listen to his preseason interviews or see them play you would see how happy he is finally playing in system which utilizes him properly. They ALL are involved and share the ball. Not two people 90% of the time like with "good" old Sloan.
 
nightmare3983 said:
Obviously the coach would be the one to blame for underutilizing a player. But is the coach also to blame for a player not adjusting his game in a way that helps the team?
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Do you remember? AK tried to. He was asked to stand on perimeter and clear space for pick and roll and he did. He was asked to chase guards on perimeter on defense and then needed to run back in the paint to help covering Boozer's and Okur's lazy asses. He tried to change his game to become more jumpshooting SF which he never was to begin. Great coaches are putting players in position to succeed and revolve their game plan around specific strengths of those players, mediocre coaches trying to fit them into their preset robotic system like clones. There is reason Sloan never won anything. He got freaking lucky he came to the team who had Stockton and Malone already, otherwise he would have not lasted in Utah longer then in Chicago. I really hoped he would get signed by some mediocre club like Bobcats so he could show "his magic", to bad nobody is interested enough.
 
AKMVP said:
You probably do not remember Adelman's Kings with Peja, Divac, Webber, Christy, Williams...There is no 5th option in his system, so AK is doing just fine. If you would listen to his preseason interviews or see them play you would see how happy he is finally playing in system which utilizes him properly. They ALL are involved and share the ball. Not two people 90% of the time like with "good" old Sloan.
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You realize that Love is out with an injury, and Rubio isn't 100%, right? They have Williams right now, and Roy trying to find his legs after missing so much time.

When everyone is healthy and clicking. AK will be the 5th option.

Wasn't Adelman the coach in Houston when it was Mcgrady and Yao?

AK will either be complaining about his role, or out with an injury. This is pretty easy to see.
 
AKMVP said:
Just when I thought I saw it all comes this newest absurd from Thriller. Can't wait to see what you say after AK is back to his usual 5x5 self under Adelman. Sloan sucked as coach since NBA allowed zone defense and was constantly outcoached by Pop,Jackson and others who knew how to utilize three ball and wing play, thankfully he is retired and we do not need to worry about him anymore. Oddly enough he did his best coaching job when he deviated from his PG to PF dominated offense in 2004 ( led by AK ). To bad he had no guts/brains to continue with something new and fresh and needed to recreate his Stockton to Malone clone with DWill and Boozer. Somehow no other NBA team offered him the job... GM's must know how outdated Sloan is and his losing playoff record speaks for itself.
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The biggest indictment of Jerry Sloan is AK's destruction as a player. Any coach that's in the conversation for "best coach ever" would have figured out a way for AK's unique gifts thrive.

Phil Jackson would have had him in both the DPOY and MVP conversations.

Jerry Sloan, steady and firm and beloved as he was, totally failed AK and the Jazz in this aspect.
 
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