Al Jefferson?

[Harcher]

Provided he could adapt to a pick-and-roll offense (admittedly a question mark), Jefferson would be a MASSIVE offensive upgrade over Millsap, and Millsap could go back to doing what he does best - being a hard-working backup/sixth man. And please remember that AK's contract comes off the books after the season no matter what - and that we may trade him THIS season anyway. And that Okur's deal becomes an expiring contract (and thus a VERY tradeable asset) next summer as well. So no, getting Jefferson would NOT prohibit the Jazz from making a significant move this year or the next.

The hard part with Jefferson is that we just let Jefferson walk (without matching that is.) The post from Salty Dawg about "who's worth $80M if Boozer isn't showed that there is a problem. There are essentially no $80M players (Jefferson appears to be one), there are $100+ players for certain and a lot of $50 and below. AND if we are going to spend that kind of money our team is ready for a non Boozer replacement. Since we do have Milsap who is a pretty good Boozer for $32M then lets spend the Money on a significantly different player. The worse problem is there aren't any centers to spend our money on. We'll see. So the question is: Does Jefferson do something for your team that Boozer could not?

It actually feels like Jefferson would be a "rebound relationship."

And by the way on this board "moron" is in fact spelled "moran" as a running thing from some post some time ago.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

The hard part with Jefferson is that we just let Jefferson walk (without matching that is.

the commitment to Jefferson would be for 3 years and $42 million. what did Boozer get? 5, 6 years? big difference. next summer the expiration of Jefferson's deal will already be on the horizon. oh, and he's younger than Boozer.

 

[Borat]

Getting Jefferson would be amazing for us. Probably that would be best case scenario. The guy is a great talent, and he would absolutely play C for us. He is legit 6-10 and has 9-2 reach with 7-3 wingspan. Basically same size as Okafor, and has shot blocking abilities also. But a lot younger and is a much better offensive player. Between him, Koufos, and Fess, we will be set at C for years to come. Will we actually get him? Of course not. Soon there will be report that someone else got him for a second round pick or something, with Jazz sticking to their guns and hoping that internal improvement of CJ Miles and Matthews will push us over the top next year, in spite of losing 20-10 guy for nothing in return and most likely also losing NBA's best 3 point shooter. Why not call Wolves now and offer AK47 (or trade exception) and a first rounder for Jefferson? Now maybe KOC did that, maybe not, but if a guy is traded to someone else for second round pick and change (like Beasley was), he probably didn't do it, did he?

 

[Twin Towers]

Getting Jefferson would be amazing for us. Probably that would be best case scenario. The guy is a great talent, and he would absolutely play C for us. He is legit 6-10 and has 9-2 reach with 7-3 wingspan. Basically same size as Okafor, and has shot blocking abilities also. But a lot younger and is a much better offensive player. Between him, Koufos, and Fess, we will be set at C for years to come. Will we actually get him? Of course not. Soon there will be report that someone else got him for a second round pick or something, with Jazz sticking to their guns and hoping that internal improvement of CJ Miles and Matthews will push us over the top next year, in spite of losing 20-10 guy for nothing in return and most likely also losing NBA's best 3 point shooter. Why not call Wolves now and offer AK47 (or trade exception) and a first rounder for Jefferson? Now maybe KOC did that, maybe not, but if a guy is traded to someone else for second round pick and change (like Beasley was), he probably didn't do it, did he?

BEASLEY WAS NOT JUST TRADED FOR A 2ND ROUND PICK! How many times do I have to say that on this board. READ THE ARTICLE!

Stop bashing the Front office for nothing. The Wolves gave the Heat the right to swap first round picks. It is protected but I will most likely be a late lottery pick when its all said and done. Did we have something better to offer? NO!

Wolves will not trade him for nothing. I promise you that.

 

[jimmyjazz]

The Jazz are very unlikely to use the Boozer TPE on Al Jefferson. Too much luxury tax to pay. I wouldn't recommend it either.

But, AK for Jefferson and a protected 1st could work.

Sloan sometimes or often plays two PFs together as a small-ball frontline and Jefferson+Millap will be better than Millsap+AK.

As to Millsap (not) starting, not only has he backed up Boozer, he knew when he signed that Portland offer sheet that he would've backed up Aldridge. Sap will deal with it. Or Jefferson coming off the bench won't be so bad either. And with Sap's pretty reliable jump shot, I also won't rule out starting him at SF alongside Jefferson (nothing wrong with making Hayward fight for time like Matthews and a rookie AK, instead of just handing it to him on a silver platter).

 

[Twin Towers]

The Jazz are very unlikely to use the Boozer TPE on Al Jefferson. Too much luxury tax to pay. I wouldn't recommend it either.

But, AK for Jefferson and a protected 1st could work.

Sloan sometimes or often plays two PFs together as a small-ball frontline and Jefferson+Millap will be better than Millsap+AK.

As to Millsap (not) starting, not only has he backed up Boozer, he knew when he signed that Portland offer sheet that he would've backed up Aldridge. Sap will deal with it. Or Jefferson coming off the bench won't be so bad either. And with Sap's pretty reliable jump shot, I also won't rule out starting him at SF alongside Jefferson (nothing wrong with making Hayward fight for time like Matthews and a rookie AK, instead of just handing it to him on a silver platter).

Millsap playing SF is a horrible idea. And anyone who has watched him play SF would know that. Millsap does not have the lateral quickness to guard SF's. Sloan tried it during the first few years and he got burnt. Not an option.

 

[Borat]

BEASLEY WAS NOT JUST TRADED FOR A 2ND ROUND PICK! How many times do I have to say that on this board. READ THE ARTICLE!

Stop bashing the Front office for nothing. The Wolves gave the Heat the right to swap first round picks. It is protected but I will most likely be a late lottery pick when its all said and done. Did we have something better to offer? NO!

Wolves will not trade him for nothing. I promise you that.

I did say 2nd rounder and change . Look, I already mentioned this could be a lottery pick in another thread, so I agree, perhaps there was nothing we could do. With that said, after that I learned It looks like Wolves have 7 years to give it to them though. Miami needs cheap and good players NOW. Maybe if KOC offered unprotected pick next year or Memphis pick (which could be in lottery), it would be more attractive to Heat than a possible lottery pick 7 years from now. After all, they need cheap guys, who are good in the next 5 years, when James, Bosh, and Wade are there and they don't have money for anyone else, not 7 years from now. So, while I am not going to bash FO for losing out on Beasley, just because there is a chance KOC offered our first rounder to them, I am pretty sure he didn't. Most likely Jazz did not even look at Michael, since he had some off court issues. Whatever.

The point here is, if Jefferson is traded for a chump change to someone else, KOC and Greg Miller should be castrated.

 

[Twin Towers]

I did say 2nd rounder and change . Look, I already mentioned this could be a lottery pick in another thread, so I agree, perhaps there was nothing we could do. With that said, after that I learned It looks like Wolves have 7 years to give it to them though. Miami needs cheap and good players NOW. Maybe if KOC offered unprotected pick next year or Memphis pick (which could be in lottery), it would be more attractive to Heat than a possible lottery pick 7 years from now. After all, they need cheap guys, who are good in the next 5 years, when James, Bosh, and Wade are there and they don't have money for anyone else, not 7 years from now. So, while I am not going to bash FO for losing out on Beasley, just because there is a chance KOC offered our first rounder to them, I am pretty sure he didn't. Most likely Jazz did not even look at Michael, since he had some off court issues. Whatever.

The point here is, if Jefferson is traded for a chump change to someone else, KOC and Greg Miller should be castrated.

Its not even a discussion. If Jefferson was going to be traded for nothing it would of already happened. Wolves are fielding calls trying to find the best deal. They are not unloading him. It would of already been done.

 

[jimmyjazz]

Its not even a discussion. If Jefferson was going to be traded for nothing it would of already happened. Wolves are fielding calls trying to find the best deal. They are not unloading him. It would of already been done.

Nope, could still happen. As they should, there's still good time for Minny to wait for the best deal. Several teams are still waiting for smoke from the big-FA signings to clear.

 

[Borat]

Its not even a discussion. If Jefferson was going to be traded for nothing it would of already happened. Wolves are fielding calls trying to find the best deal. They are not unloading him. It would of already been done.

That's the thing though. Lots of times teams are making low ball offers in situations like this, and a great guy ends up being traded for the best of these crappy offers. That offer is still crappy though. For example, when we were shopping Booz, I think best offer was pathetic scrub Tyrus Thomas. Vince Carter was traded for almost nothing. Gasol was. Now Beasley is traded for a pick 7 years from now. So, you see teams set on trading away a player, and other teams know that, and they give you 50 cents (or less) on a dollar hoping to get value for nothing. Why not make a good offer in this situation and be sure you get the guy you like? Al's value is a little lower now, because he was injured, and last year was below his standards. If we get him here to team up with Millsap, he could be back to 23 and 11 next year. He is only 25 too. Now all of the sudden we have young athletic C/PF combo that can defend and block some shots. Why not make a really good offer to make it happen? AK+unconditional first rounder+second rounder next year? You think Wolves will get a better offer?

 

[Twin Towers]

That's the thing though. Lots of times teams are making low ball offers in situations like this, and a great guy ends up being traded for the best of these crappy offers. That offer is still crappy though. For example, when we were shopping Booz, I think best offer was pathetic scrub Tyrus Thomas. Vince Carter was traded for almost nothing. Gasol was. Now Beasley is traded for a pick 7 years from now. So, you see teams set on trading away a player, and other teams know that, and they give you 50 cents (or less) on a dollar hoping to get value for nothing. Why not make a good offer in this situation and be sure you get the guy you like? Al's value is a little lower now, because he was injured, and last year was below his standards. If we get him here to team up with Millsap, he could be back to 23 and 11 next year. He is only 25 too. Now all of the sudden we have young athletic C/PF combo that can defend and block some shots. Why not make a really good offer to make it happen? AK+unconditional first rounder+second rounder next year? You think Wolves will get a better offer?

Yes they will get a way better offer. You can hold me to that also. And AK does not help them at all. They have too many SF's as it is right now.

The reason why I say they will get a better offer is this...........
All those players you just talked about being traded for almost nothing was because they needed to START rebuilding. When teams need to START rebuilding it almost always means they are looking to save money. And the Wolves are not close to the luxury tax. They are perfectly fine.

The other reason is NBA teams are a lot more desperate right now. Guys like Jefferson are hard to come by. So there will be a team who offers Minnesota a way better deal than us. Because of the desperation around the league for big man. Minnesota will get a decent offer. Somebody who will give them close to comparable talent.

I know its hard looking through Jazz goggles and hoping for the world for nothing but its not realistic when you look at the league as a whole.

Edit: By the way I am not saying its a horrible idea like most of the trade ideas thrown around. Its not exactly impossible but not realistic.

 

[Twin Towers]

Iggy for Jefferson is a better deal than what we have to offer.

Jason Richardsons expiring contract is better than AK's.

Jeff Green and fillers is better than what we have to offer.

There are also a lot of other teams who have expiring contracts like AK's. And they can give them better draft picks than us. So there is a lot of reasons why we won't be the best offer.