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You could always throw it.
Alec Baldwin shoots and kills one, injures another.
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I think you are correct. And that is dumb. Why not use guns that literally wouldn't be able to fire a real bullet if one was loaded into it?
He didn't kill another actor. He killed a cinematographer and injured a director.
Two people. Two people who should have never been shot even with a prop gun.
I want to know WTF was going on on that set.
Here's a KSL article that provides some additional info as to how this stuff is supposed to work.
How can a prop gun kill? Utah expert says only after multiple safety failures
A Utah firearms expert said the tragic death on the set of Alec Baldwin's new movie could only have occurred as the result of basic safety measures being ignored at multiple levels.www.ksl.com
My guess would be setting up a shot where he fires a gun down the barrel of the camera.
Probs cheaper and easier to use real guns with blanks.
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Sounds like the armorer was fairly new and inexperienced. I read that it was a real bullet. An armorer allowing that on set simply didn't do her job.
And an armorer should never allow guns to be pointed at another person, even if firing blanks.
And an armorer should never allow guns to be pointed at another person, even if firing blanks.
The armorer was a 24 woman with little experience. Evidently her grandfather was a top armorer for old west films. I'm guessing her short career has already ended.
Controlled sets have the armorer in control of the guns between takes, being the only person to touch them before and after takes. In this case, the assistant director, not the armorer, handed the gun to Baldwin and declared it to be a cold gun (no rounds, blank or otherwise). Crazy.
I read one article stating it was a real bullet, and others that it was a blank (blanks also referred as live rounds).
I only know this story from people talking about it and probably won't get too deep into it, but I just read the KSL article and the thing that stands out to me is that this film is apparently set in the 1800s. The question was obviously asked about why live ammo was in a prop gun, but even more curious is that this prop gun would be an 1800s gun and presumably require specific ammo that perhaps you can't just go and get (I have no idea, I'm not a huge gun enthusiast).He didn't kill another actor. He killed a cinematographer and injured a director.
Two people. Two people who should have never been shot even with a prop gun.
I want to know WTF was going on on that set.
Here's a KSL article that provides some additional info as to how this stuff is supposed to work.
How can a prop gun kill? Utah expert says only after multiple safety failures
A Utah firearms expert said the tragic death on the set of Alec Baldwin's new movie could only have occurred as the result of basic safety measures being ignored at multiple levels.
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Prop guns are usually replicas. Depends on how important the gun is to the story. In the Matrix, for example, they used desert eagles and Berettas and each character had their specific gun. But they would have been modified so the action will cycle but nothing will be fired of course. Using blanks is very common. A blank load can be built to cycle the action as well. But if they really had live ammo, that's ridiculous. My thought was it was something like what happened in the crow, where the gun had a bullet lodged in the barrel so the blank charge was enough to propel the bullet and kill Lee. A live round on set is inexcusable.
It was a Colt 45, and yes, blanks and real ammo are easy to procure for this model.
It is being reported that the crew was using this same pistol with real ammo for target practice.
A good armorer would have NEVER allowed it to be out of their possession, let alone be used with real ammo. Sheer incompetence.
Despite being very pro 2A, owning, and shooting guns my entire life, I’ve never seen (that I can recall) a blank round. They don’t look the same as a live round, right? I mean, I’d there a bullet on the end? Or is it just the “shell” or “casing” with a cover to keep the powder in (think like a shotgun shell look)?
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