Archie Moses
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He's an actor. Professionals above him ****ed up, not him. 100%.
He gets to live with the blame from people like you.
Alec Baldwin shoots and kills one, injures another.
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He gets to live with the blame from people like you.
He was the producer that hired the armorer. Blame will come from the deceased's family.
jazzVA
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Sounds like this Dave Falls guy is another crew member that shouldn’t have been anywhere near the set.
“That’s when they brought in Dave because he had a reputation for being lax on safety,” Therond said. “Apparently, when the first AD walks off a project, Dave is known as the guy you call.”
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...p-gun-shooting-halyna-hutchins-search-warrant
“That’s when they brought in Dave because he had a reputation for being lax on safety,” Therond said. “Apparently, when the first AD walks off a project, Dave is known as the guy you call.”
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...p-gun-shooting-halyna-hutchins-search-warrant
RandyForRubio
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It absolutely lies on Baldwin as well.
Read up on proper protocol of how this is supposed to go down, from armorer, to assistant director, to actor. They are all supposed to check. Baldwin has done movies with guns before, you really think he doesn’t know protocol? And he’s one of the producers that decided to cheap out, which is why the actual professionals decided not to be a part of this because they deemed it unsafe.
Yeah, I feel bad that for the rest of his life, Baldwin will have to live with the fact that he accidentally killed somebody. That is going to be an awful feeling. But there is no denying that he is also at fault here due to negligence. Him making prior comments about cops saying “I wonder how it feels to unknowingly kill someone.” Or his comment about Liz Cheney sounding just like her dad and wondering if she’s ever accidentally shot somebody in the face…those comment are just very unfortunate irony.
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Archie Moses
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Of course.
It's like if I hired someone to cement my driveway and they accidentally buried someone with cement, is it my fault?
Baldwin kind of bugs me, but he hired people or people on set ****ed up - not him. 100%
Don't point blame at him.
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Archie Moses
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It could be your fault if you hired an incompetent person and knew they were reckless with lack of due care, although criminal liability would be harder to stick, but still possible depending on the state. Which is why cutting corners and hiring an uninsured contractor can bite you in the butt if they or someone else gets injured while they are performing work.
I doubt Baldwin will be charged criminally, even though you could argue he was reckless or did not exercise due caution, which in New Mexico can be enough for involuntary manslaughter and all the stories coming from crewmembers (which may or may not be accurate) make it seem like it was a ********, and Baldwin was the producer in charge. I do believe the people target shooting and leaving bullets in the are more to blame. But questions arise. Did Baldwin know they were target shooting with that gun? Did the armorer? And with that knowledge did he pull the trigger without checking it? It would be up to the prosecutor or grand jury to decide if charges are brought and against who.
I actually like Baldwin as an actor, and have no animosity towards him. Even if he was reckless to the point of legal cupability, I still feel bad for they guy either way. Ultimately, he pulled the trigger which killed a mother with young kids. I don't know how I could handle that, even if you want to call it an "accident".
More than likely Baldwin will be sued in civil court, and the film insurance will settle with the family.
Plenty of cases where company officers have been charged criminally for implementing unsafe practices that harm or kill employees, both for manslaughter, and negligent homicide. Baldwin was the producer in charge of the set.
Baldwin did not follow protocol by checking if the gun was "cold" and he pointed the gun in an unsafe direction and pulled the trigger and killed a person. He is not blameless.
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‘Rust’ Tragedy: Was an Inexperienced Producing Team to Blame?
With questions swirling around the deadly shooting on the Alec Baldwin indie Western, a closer look behind the scenes reveals that the film was led by a ragtag group of six men who have produced only nine movies combined. "Everything about it screams amateurish."
www.hollywoodreporter.com
“As with any film, the buck stops with the producers. They are the men and women in charge of hiring and to whom crewmembers can take complaints. What’s notable about Rust is that it featured a hodgepodge group with little to no experience in that capacity. Baldwin, who discharged the prop gun that killed Hutchins and injured Souza on Oct. 21, was one of the film’s six producers. (On a narrative feature film, “producer” is the top distinction, while “executive producer” is the next rung down. The opposite is true in TV and with documentaries.) Sources involved with the production say it wasn’t merely a vanity title, as is often the case with name actors and actresses, and that Baldwin had developed the project from scratch with Souza and shares “story by” credit. Still, it marked only the fifth time Baldwin has served as a producer on a narrative feature film during his 41-year acting career (Souza’s 2019 drama Crown Vic being his most recent outing)”.
Alec Baldwin's role as producer on 'Rust,' explained - swiftheadline
Being a film producer can mean different things to different people. And when a star like Alec Baldwin takes a producer credit on a film, it can signal a variety of levels of involvement in the project itself. While a film producer performs many tasks through the life of a film — from its...
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