Archie Moses
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That's good info
Alec Baldwin shoots and kills one, injures another.
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Reckless disregard. I'm not saying that applies to Baldwin actually pulling the trigger depending on facts that come out, but based on what I've read, I would say it seems to be so reckless it was similar to a drunk driver killing someone, the difference is many may be culpable (crew bring live ammo on set and using in set guns, armorer for allowing it, Baldwin for potentially hiring incompetent safety people when the industry knew these people were bad news... I would not call that an accident. It is reckless disregard that led to a tragedy.
Archie Moses
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To me, this is a poor analogy.
Comparing this to drunk driving is insane in my mind regardless if Baldwin hired her.
It's like blaming any employer for the actions of their employees. So dumb and so finger happy to point the blame.
The fact of the matter is simple. Baldwin is an actor and regardless if he was acting or not, the prop should have never have been lethal. 100%.
It's on the Amorer - 100%.
I don't care if Baldwin hired her. He hired her in hopes this **** wouldn't happen. He's a ****ing actor. Lol
Society is so lame on the fingers it points.
Mac Miller's drug dealers are being blamed for selling, well, drugs that killed someone. Don't get me wrong, they should be charged, but people acting like the guy was killed by these guys are delusional.
There's always a finger to point.
Baldwin isn't my favorite and bugs me if I'm being honest. The last person in the world anyone should expect to follow gun safety protocols is an actor or actress.
So dumb how people are blaming Baldwin. What self righteous hacks.
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Baldwin was a producer with control of the set. If he knew of past issues with safety people he hired, he could be culpable. I don't think he'd get charged for solely pulling the trigger/not checking the chamber. It is facts regarding the other stuff that will ultimately determine culpability, be it civil or criminal.
And again, I am not saying Baldwin is to blame without all the facts, but as he controlled the set, he could be criminally liable based on facts and circumstances.
RandyForRubio
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It’s like you’re just ignoring everything that has been said about how this typically works.
Archie Moses
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It's like you're blaming an actor for, well, acting.
To me, it's easy to ignore.
Archie Moses
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It comes down to did he know?
If he did, people can progress and learn from their mistakes. Maybe he thought she did? I have no idea.
To me though, the last person I'm gonna blame is the actor/actress with the prop - regardless if they're the producer.
He hired a professional to do their job. I don't think he needed to baby sit said professional to do their job for which he hired her for.
It's crazy, to me, how people wanna burn the witch or anyone who talked with the witch.
I don’t even like Baldwin, but I guarantee this was a preventable accident and the spilled blood is on someone else.
Saying he's the producer is a lazy argument. It's like saying he's the general contractor.
Red
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“WHY WOULD THE GUN HAVE BEEN POINTING AT THE CINEMATOGRAPHER?
We don’t know what happened on the set of “Rust,” but it is fairly common to have a gun pointed at the camera, and by extension the cinematographer, to get a certain angle.
“We’ve all seen the very famous shots in films where you get that dramatic effect of a gun being pointed at you, the audience, and of course, it’s being pointed towards the camera,” explained Steven Hall, a veteran second unit director and cinematographer who has worked on films like “Fury” and “Thor: The Dark World.” “To minimize that, one would put a remote camera in that place, or at least if someone does have to operate the camera, I’m normally protected by safety goggles, a safety visor and often a PERSPEX screen that withstands pretty much anything. Obviously, it wouldn’t withstand a real shot from a gun, but it would certainly withstand a blank.”
EXPLAINER: Guns on movie sets: How does that work?
Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins died Thursday after Alec Baldwin fired a loaded weapon that was handed to him by an assistant director who mistakenly believed it was safe to use on the New Mexico set of “Rust.”
apnews.com
Again, corporate officer criminal liability exists. The cases I know offhand are officers/people in control knowingly put employees in unnecessarily unsafe conditions. I am not judging, just stating what the law is. So yes, knowledge of certain conditions that would be considered reckless could lead to criminal liability, and it would likely be based off of the totality of the circumstances.
RandyForRubio
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Never in my life have I been around a GC who doesn’t watch and check what his subs are doing, because if it isn’t done right, it’s ultimately on him.