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[Ron Mexico]

It is funny how you Obama supporters kept bringing up Bush FOR EIGHT YEARS in defense of Obama.

Now you hate the same thing being thrown in your face. Admit it the left despises when there own tactics are used against you.

Maybe that is why Obama was praised and not held up to a higher standard? People were comparing him to Bush and he looked so much better and were more satisfied.

So if it was wrong to compare Obama to Bush then it is wrong to compare Trump to Obama. Just because some people use what you think are poor and wrong tactics doesnt justify others using them. There is no reason to justify what Trump is doing because of anything Obama did. We need to hold people in power to our standards regardless of what previous people did in their position.

 

[Hotdog]

No there is not. There are thousands or more issues that people are on the left or right of. If you add them up people are somewhere along a very big spectrum. You can make up where you want to draw a line and call people left or right but its silly.



So you heard it somewhere by one person and you know think everyone who is in this arbitrary "left" thinks that and you are fighting against everyone. That is a silly fight.



I am not bashing on the right. I have bashed on the republican party for very specific things in their official platform. I have bashed on Fox News and CNN. None of those are bashing on the "right."

Neither Fox News or CNN is reporting fake news. I think you think anything being reported that is not completely true or ends up not being true is fake news. That is not correct.



I disagree with that statement. It is a fact that minorities, women and other groups are being mistreated in this country. I have shown many facts on here (that you always run away from) that show. The "left" is not creating the problem they are bringing these issues to light and people are standing up for it. This makes people uncomfortable and defensive. That is unfortunate and is no way to resolve it. I do believe some people are too aggressive in bringing light to these issues and it hurts the cause sometimes. But the reason that is a problem is again because there are very sensitive people getting their feelings hurt. Sadly people use and take the word racist as an insult when it is not. People do racist things, that does not make them a bad person. It simply means that culture and other things have caused them to look at race issues wrong and seeing it and fixing it is the best result. Although there are some of the bad racist people but those are a minority in this country.

Its fine if you want to ignore the race issue and pretend like white people are under attack and have it hard now but there is no real evidence to support systemic racism against white people that has ill effect on them in this country. There is hoards of evidence that black people and other groups are being hurt by it.

I don't deny that there is or has been a race problem for non white people. I just don't think that the right way to fight it is with racism against white people. Its horrendously ignorant. Show me the racists and the racist policies and we can fight them together. Sorry, Donald Trump doesn't qualify for that until he actually says something that is factually racist. Code words don't count either. Immigration policies are not racist automatically either. We are an independent country that has to protect its interest. It has a duty to the people inside the borders to protect their interests. We don't owe the world whatever they want. We don't even have the means to be taking care of the world. We can't even take care of ourselves without going into crazy debt. I know, we should completely forget about that, right. Does that problem ever occur to anyone on the left when they want to give welfare to everyone in the world?

 

[Ron Mexico]

I don't deny that there is or has been a race problem for non white people. I just don't think that the right way to fight it is with racism against white people. Its horrendously ignorant. Show me the racists and the racist policies and we can fight them together. Sorry, Donald Trump doesn't qualify for that until he actually says something that is factually racist.

What are the racist things people are doing against white people that are a problem or hurting them? Calling someone a racist isnt racism, are there real facts(not anecdotal evidence) you can provide of racism against white people?

As far as Trump goes there are plenty of examples of things he has said that are racist. I dont really care to repeat all of them. Take 10 seconds and google racist comments trump has made. Those are not as big of an issue of policies that may or may not happen that we need to hold him accountable for.

Some that are a concern for me are repealing Obama care is going to unfairly hurt the black community. But that is a wait and see what actually happens and if they put a decent plan in place. Obama care has its flaws but it is better than what we had and needs to be expanded into something better.

Trump has put people into office that have a well documented history of being racists.

In one of first Trump admin. orders, Dept of Housing & Urban Dev. suspends reduction of FHA annual mortgage insurance premium rates

This ones concerning and the only one who benefits from this is the home mortgage companies insuring mortgage for people that do not own 20% of their home. This is not inherently racist but again targets black people at a higher percentage than white people.

He has a long list of executive orders that he plans to sign. Many of which are rumored to be ones that will hurt the black and LGBT communities but we will have to wait and see what he actually does. He has said he will remove all of Obama's executive order which a ton of them were helping minorities. I dont think people realize how many executive orders he put in to help the LGBT and black communities.

FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama

THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities

He plans to continue and expand Obama's policy of targeting criminal immigrants and deporting them. It sounds nice but it was not for non white immigrants. It also unfairly targeted some good citizens that were sent back to countries they had never lived in and had no family in.

I am concerned he will follow keep in line with the Republican part platform that he has said he supports that has a lot of things that hurt the LGBT community but that is not racist stuff.

FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.

Targeting people because of their race and religion is a racist policy. Those are the countries that need immigration the most.

School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.

This idea has been proven to hurt black communities in our country.

His tax policy has wording that could potentially end welfare which is benefiting black people far more than white people. Reforms need to be made to all of it but that does not mean it should be taken away from people who really need it. Escaping poverty is a very difficult process for many people and especially for someone that is black.

Most of these are just guesses and concerns right now. Some might not end up bad but they are still things to keep an eye on.

There are just a lot of guesses about what he will do based on what he has said. Trump is not my biggest concern for racism. Most of the problems we have in this country are due to policies. Things such as hiring, treatment, arresting and lots of other stuff are not dealing with a policy Trump may or may not make but on people themselves and us as a country.

 

[Revolution 9]

With **** like this and ****ed up press conferences like we got yesterday this will indeed be a long 4 years. Almost exactly like Jr. High.

for me that was Orem Jr. High. Let me tell you, those were some rough years my friend.

 

[DutchJazzer]

for me that was Orem Jr. High. Let me tell you, those were some rough years my friend.

really, my school time was awesome. think back to those days often.

doing nothing all day!

 

[Revolution 9]

It is very convenient for Trump supporters to now call everything fake news to diminish the seriousness of the real issue of actual fake news, which is as I describe a few posts up.

Fake news is completely fabricated and intended to mislead. There is a ton of it out there and people are still consuming it and believing it. It is a real problem. Calling CNN fake news is a way to ignore the problem and obscure the issue so that the actual fake news continues to thrive.

This is clearly the agenda of many.

Call everything fake, made up, hoax, and a conspiracy. They want you to not believe anything so they can fill the void with their BS.

 

[Revolution 9]

really, my school time was awesome. think back to those days often.

doing nothing all day!

Well we had quite a bit of school work, but you bring up a good point. Those days were awesome, and looking back "easy" compared to today.
Tell that to any teenager though.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Well we had quite a bit of school work, but you bring up a good point. Those days were awesome, and looking back "easy" compared to today.
Tell that to any teenager though.

yes, just a quiestion where you bullied or the bully.

I have been both, i was late in puberty. got those awesome epic hairs between my pants as 1 of last kids. so you can imagine how i was bullied. i was short and not going through puberty! but in 1 summer it started changing i grew like a MF and came back with a vengeance.

aah those days where awesome.

my litle brother when he was a freshman had same problem, but everybody left him alone, because i stood for family!


summer of 69 and all summer long are songs that bring me back to those days!


to this day i still have high school friends, those friends stayed friends for live!(or till now).


wouldnt wanna chance a thing(or maybe i would, i wanted to grow up badly then. would tell my younger self live more in the moment. dont worry about growing up)

 

[Revolution 9]

yes, just a quiestion where you bullied or the bully.

I have been both, i was late in puberty. got those awesome epic hairs between my pants as 1 of last kids. so you can imagine how i was bullied. i was short and not going through puberty! but in 1 summer it started changing i grew like a MF and came back with a vengeance.

aah those days where awesome.

my litle brother when he was a freshman had same problem, but everybody left him alone, because i stood for family!


summer of 69 and all summer long are songs that bring me back to those days!


to this day i still have high school friends, those friends stayed friends for live!(or till now).


wouldnt wanna chance a thing(or maybe i would, i wanted to grow up badly then. would tell my younger self live more in the moment. dont worry about growing up)

yeah sloanfeld. I hear you

 

[fishonjazz]

No, sorry but you dont get to just pick and choose what is and isn't fake news. Fake news is when the story is not real. This isnt difficult to understand. By definition, this MLK bust news story was fake news. It makes no difference if they say oops my bad, it was a mistake. The problem with garbage journalism like that is that the damage is already done. Not everybody that heard the story hears the retraction. How about just knowing what the **** you are talking about before you report something? Is that so hard. Of course it isn't. They know exactly what they are doing, and dont care who it hurts. In fact they want it to hurt. They know they can do it because they know people like you will eat up and overlook irresponsible style of reporting, and actually defend it.

Did someone get hurt by an mlk bust? I never heard anything about an mlk bust except from you.

 

[fishonjazz]

I disagree with the first part. Fake means that it is something that is forgery, counterfeit or a purposeful deceit. He did not appear to be deceiving or scamming people, he was reporting something he thought but was lazy on checking his facts. I do not believe that it was fake news based on the retraction and admittance of guilt.

But I agree that the damage was done and the retraction wont help. It was poor news reporting.

What damage was done by this bust story (I still don't know what the bust story even is btw)

 

[Ron Mexico]

What damage was done by this bust story (I still don't know what the bust story even is btw)

Reporting that the MLK bust (sculpture of his head) was taken down makes people think Trump and his staff did it and it adds to people's proof or idea that Trump is racist.