Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary
Yeah I thought it was obvious, but the fact that you posted it (it was a dumb video, tbh) and then your comments made me wonder.
Archie Moses
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I literally said this when I posted it..
"Lol. She thought this was real and not a joke and is getting roasted on Twitter"
I came across the video from an article making fun of her for thinking it was real right wing propaganda.
I'm kind of offended you think I'm that dumb. Feelings hurt.
What do you mean by "She thought this was real"? I mean, Ocasio-Cortez knows the video isn't "real" because she knows she wasn't in that interview. You mean she thinks the video is "real" right-wing propaganda? It is obviously an attempt to make fun of her, so in that sense it is "real" propaganda against her.
I'm just having a hard time getting where you're coming from.
Archie Moses
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Yeah, I probably didn't explain the best. Propaganda was not the best word to explain why she got roasted.
Basically, she responded to the video, which was obviously a parody, by saying this:
"Republicans are so scared of me that they’re faking videos and presenting them as real on Facebook because they can’t deal with reality anymore.
Here’s one bonafide truth:
Election Day is November 6th."
Who's trying to pass this off as real? Then again, I literally wrote why she was getting made fun of on Twitter and I was still asked if I thought it was real.
So she's either completely clueless to satire or is lying to get followers.
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Zombie
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When the video was originally posted on Facebook there was nothing mentioned in the post about it being 'satire.' More than a few of the reactions I saw to the video were from people who clearly thought the interview was real. Just because something is obvious to you doesn't mean that it's not intended to deceive, especially when you consider neither CRTV nor Stuckey are primarily satirists. Most of what they publish is intended to be taken seriously.Yeah, I probably didn't explain the best. Propaganda was not the best word to explain why she got roasted.
Basically, she responded to the video, which was obviously a parody, by saying this:
"Republicans are so scared of me that they’re faking videos and presenting them as real on Facebook because they can’t deal with reality anymore.
Here’s one bonafide truth:
Election Day is November 6th."
Who's trying to pass this off as real? Then again, I literally wrote why she was getting made fun of on Twitter and I was still asked if I thought it was real.
So she's either completely clueless to satire or is lying to get followers.
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Against the advice of my therapist, i'll set the record straight again.
Cuz it's fun to crow. Come correct next time.
Again, I'll let the audience decide whether the confounds of senate vs. congress with respect to barriers to being elected are equal. If they are, I'm curious to hear your hypothesis on why there are currently more female senators in the United States than there have been black senators in all of American history (even when you control for population size, the discrepancy is palpable).
In fact, here's a challenge-- I challenge you to find social metrics/outcomes where white women fare worse than black people (or black men, whatever makes this comparison easier for you).
Even before I get into the mechanism and the historical mechanisms of oppression that black people have faced and continue to face, if your point is true then we should easily be able to find examples of this. You mentioned congress, that was quickly discredited. Please provide more examples, and we can go through them one by one. Think of when every civil right was earned by white women, in comparison to black people. Think of the histories of oppression that white women have faced, in comparison to black people.
Here's a compilation of some in context of the workplace-- http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ge-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/
Or, use these interactive charts to see which strata of SES black boys vs. white girls find themselves in
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/27/upshot/make-your-own-mobility-animation.html
These all point towards the same reality-- the power of black discrimination is stronger than the power of gender discrimination, with evidence pointing to the outcomes of white women vs those of black men.
Here's more data from the EPI: https://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/
This will be addressed in the next retort.
A good start would be to start with this novel, and reading the preface-- https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=vH-XtO1XAFUC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=racial+oppression+in+america&ots=ZKHJG_d1YN&sig=_YZmgmfzG3aQdt2BxfOyLdr8RM4#v=onepage&q=racial oppression in america&f=false [Title: Still the Big News: Racial Oppression in America, 2001].
The thesis of this is that race is the central social reality of the United States, pure and simple. It goes through the epistemology of this, although it doesn't go through the mechanics on how it numerically differs from gender (though this can be cross referenced with the studies alluded to above).
I think your posts allude to some of the ideas associated with critiquing the "hierarchy of oppression", whereby we ought to look at how oppression takes many forms, as opposed to trying to rank oppressions against eachother. The idea is a good one-- because it is believed (and I'd agree) that oppression must be fought on every axis in order to be able to defeat white supremacy, or the patriarchy, or heteronormativity.
The problem with this, is that white feminism (historically a tool of oppression against black people) weaponizes this to the extent where white women have made gains since the 60s, whereas black men and women haven't. The proof is in the pudding-- of all dimensions of oppression, if you look at the outcomes seen in some of the links I've posted, groups of people where which white people compose a majority (white women, white LG communities) have generally made the most progress.
Here's a good post summarizing black feminist critiques of Second Wave Feminism, namely those appropriating Lorde's words regarding the hierarchy of oppression: https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/appropriating-audre/need-locate-oppressor-within-us
But, you wanted a paper that addresses the mechanistic differences between the oppressions-- here is an example: https://www.jstor.org/stable/42859475?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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I think I've provided enough information for you to glean that oppression rooted in race is stronger than oppression rooted in gender. If you don't agree, and don't think that what I've shared with you does a good enough job explaining this, (in my opinion) that says more about you than it does about what I've shared.
Take care.
Cuz it's fun to crow. Come correct next time.
Again, I'll let the audience decide whether the confounds of senate vs. congress with respect to barriers to being elected are equal. If they are, I'm curious to hear your hypothesis on why there are currently more female senators in the United States than there have been black senators in all of American history (even when you control for population size, the discrepancy is palpable).
In fact, here's a challenge-- I challenge you to find social metrics/outcomes where white women fare worse than black people (or black men, whatever makes this comparison easier for you).
Even before I get into the mechanism and the historical mechanisms of oppression that black people have faced and continue to face, if your point is true then we should easily be able to find examples of this. You mentioned congress, that was quickly discredited. Please provide more examples, and we can go through them one by one. Think of when every civil right was earned by white women, in comparison to black people. Think of the histories of oppression that white women have faced, in comparison to black people.
Here's a compilation of some in context of the workplace-- http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ge-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/
Or, use these interactive charts to see which strata of SES black boys vs. white girls find themselves in
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/27/upshot/make-your-own-mobility-animation.html
These all point towards the same reality-- the power of black discrimination is stronger than the power of gender discrimination, with evidence pointing to the outcomes of white women vs those of black men.
Here's more data from the EPI: https://www.epi.org/publication/black-white-wage-gaps-expand-with-rising-wage-inequality/
This will be addressed in the next retort.
A good start would be to start with this novel, and reading the preface-- https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=vH-XtO1XAFUC&oi=fnd&pg=PR7&dq=racial+oppression+in+america&ots=ZKHJG_d1YN&sig=_YZmgmfzG3aQdt2BxfOyLdr8RM4#v=onepage&q=racial oppression in america&f=false [Title: Still the Big News: Racial Oppression in America, 2001].
The thesis of this is that race is the central social reality of the United States, pure and simple. It goes through the epistemology of this, although it doesn't go through the mechanics on how it numerically differs from gender (though this can be cross referenced with the studies alluded to above).
I think your posts allude to some of the ideas associated with critiquing the "hierarchy of oppression", whereby we ought to look at how oppression takes many forms, as opposed to trying to rank oppressions against eachother. The idea is a good one-- because it is believed (and I'd agree) that oppression must be fought on every axis in order to be able to defeat white supremacy, or the patriarchy, or heteronormativity.
The problem with this, is that white feminism (historically a tool of oppression against black people) weaponizes this to the extent where white women have made gains since the 60s, whereas black men and women haven't. The proof is in the pudding-- of all dimensions of oppression, if you look at the outcomes seen in some of the links I've posted, groups of people where which white people compose a majority (white women, white LG communities) have generally made the most progress.
Here's a good post summarizing black feminist critiques of Second Wave Feminism, namely those appropriating Lorde's words regarding the hierarchy of oppression: https://www.bitchmedia.org/article/appropriating-audre/need-locate-oppressor-within-us
But, you wanted a paper that addresses the mechanistic differences between the oppressions-- here is an example: https://www.jstor.org/stable/42859475?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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I think I've provided enough information for you to glean that oppression rooted in race is stronger than oppression rooted in gender. If you don't agree, and don't think that what I've shared with you does a good enough job explaining this, (in my opinion) that says more about you than it does about what I've shared.
Take care.
D
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very excited to hear any retort to this.
DasJazz
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Yes, they are, I've lived it first hand thanks, but I'm not here to argue the point.
Cause you can't argue worth ****.
Just so you know guys, my cousin married a soldier. Well, not exactly married, but she did **** one. So I have first hand experience with the military, which makes me the authority on everything military.
I'm not here to argue, but feel free to leave any questions you have here and I'll tell you what's up.
I'm not here to argue, but feel free to leave any questions you have here and I'll tell you what's up.
Pretty sure recruitment is way down, so maybe that's what he is referring to.