Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (democratic socialist) wins NY primary

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I am interested in these reasons that data should be skewed in favor of Hispanics/blacks but not white people that also has nothing to do with race. Your sentence alone is a contradiction.

Yeah, he has said a few times there's value in diversity and the different perspectives of certain minorities, which is why it makes sense to select them preferentially, while at the same time claiming it has nothing to do with race. I've seen some impressive mental gymnastics over the years, but this is right up there.

 

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I am interested in these reasons that data should be skewed in favor of Hispanics/blacks but not white people that also has nothing to do with race. Your sentence alone is a contradiction.

https://www.jazzfanz.com/threads/al...st-wins-ny-primary.94011/page-17#post-1638425

 

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Your opinion.

Just the facts. But I know religious people don't care about facts, so I don't see why you'd even respond.

 

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https://www.jazzfanz.com/threads/al...st-wins-ny-primary.94011/page-17#post-1638425

Those same points could favor white people too. You are going from groups of people now to individual circumstances which is changing the argument.

 

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Yeah, he has said a few times there's value in diversity and the different perspectives of certain minorities, which is why it makes sense to select them preferentially, while at the same time claiming it has nothing to do with race. I've seen some impressive mental gymnastics over the years, but this is right up there.

To be clear, I only said "I can think of three reasons off the top of my head why black applicants, with equivalent MCAT and GPA scores, would be accepted at a higher rates, that are not race-related". I never claimed race was not also a factor.

It's true I hope to make my mind so flexible and strong it could be a metaphorical gymnast, but I am not as successful as I would wish.

 

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Those same points could favor white people too.

Individually, but not in the aggregate.

 

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To be clear, I only said "I can think of three reasons off the top of my head why black applicants, with equivalent MCAT and GPA scores, would be accepted at a higher rates, that are not race-related". I never claimed race was not also a factor.

It's true I hope to make my mind so flexible and strong it could be a metaphorical gymnast, but I am not as successful as I would wish.

What three reasons could there be that specifically black applicants should be selected over someone with the same test scores that have nothing to do with race? How can the attributes be specific to race while the reason for selecting people with those attributes is not related to their race?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Just the facts. But I know religious people don't care about facts, so I don't see why you'd even respond.

What you think are facts. I've seen "facts" change so often that your "facts" are pretty much opinion. Just like my opinion and others. It may be your opinion that it is fact. I find it interesting that there are things you think religious people don't care about, but it is very clear as well that there are things irreligious people don't care about as well.

To me the existence of God is a fact. I know this. To you it is not. No need to be rude.

 

[Siro]

What you think are facts. I've seen "facts" change so often that your "facts" are pretty much opinion. Just like my opinion and others. It may be your opinion that it is fact. I find it interesting that there are things you think religious people don't care about, but it is very clear as well that there are things irreligious people don't care about as well.

To me the existence of God is a fact. I know this. To you it is not. No need to be rude.

I was talking about the origin of the Israelites. There is no evidence to support the story, and nobody would've ever suggested it had it not appeared in the Bible.

The part of god not being real is just my opinion.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Individually, but not in the aggregate.

Do you know these 3 things about the black/white/hispanic applicants to know it is not in the aggregate?
Is this just assuming that black applicants don't mainly come from the more well off families but are spread out? I would think the bulk of all applicants come from more well off families in general.

 

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What three reasons could there be that specifically black applicants should be selected over someone with the same test scores that have nothing to do with race? How can the attributes be specific to race while the reason for selecting people with those attributes is not related to their race?

https://www.jazzfanz.com/threads/al...st-wins-ny-primary.94011/page-17#post-1638425

 

[Jazz Spazz]

How would you explain this data?

I don't really buy OB's arguments, but I have one that could explain it possibly.
If there are higher numbers of white and asian applicants than hispanic and black applicants, the acceptance rates could be higher for those groups assuming there is some sort of obligation to maintain some sort of ratio of accepted students from the different groups. I don't think it explains the low number of asian acceptance. I find it hard to believe that there would be that many more applicants that are asian versus white, but possibly the other 2.

I don't know if this is correct, but possible.

Thoughts?