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True, but go ahead and pretend they have nothing to do with what is going on. If you can't see that progressives are attempting to obstruct and complicate everything that the current administration attempts to do, even when those actions are in alignment with goals that progressives were in support of immediately before this president took office, then you aren't paying attention. ...

I'm not aware that spinning a topic to point out the two-faced nature of particular conservative guest somehow complicates or obstructs the actions of the current administration. Could you lay out that connection for me?

Or, was your point that Obama was treating people badly? Because I knew that well before Trump declared for President, it was all over the skeptical progressive blogs.
 
I'm not aware that spinning a topic to point out the two-faced nature of particular conservative guest somehow complicates or obstructs the actions of the current administration. Could you lay out that connection for me?

Or, was your point that Obama was treating people badly? Because I knew that well before Trump declared for President, it was all over the skeptical progressive blogs.
Maybe you could explain how what he said was pointing out the two-faced nature of the conservative guest?

And now you're turning on Obama?
 
I'm not aware that spinning a topic to point out the two-faced nature of particular conservative guest somehow complicates or obstructs the actions of the current administration. Could you lay out that connection for me?

Or, was your point that Obama was treating people badly? Because I knew that well before Trump declared for President, it was all over the skeptical progressive blogs.
Before Trump was elected I was aware of stories of people who had enlisted in the U.S. military as a path to U.S. citizenship (I have served with at least a dozen such people directly) who were deported under Obama policies for minor crimes. Like traffic infractions. It was disgusting and disappointing. These are people who did more for this nation than the majority of U.S. citizens have done. They had their dream taken away from them for almost nothing. Obama was, at the time, one of the most hard core pro-deportation Presidents in U.S. history. And he has been followed by Trump.

Its sad.

There was some mention of ISIS in another thread. Obama is responsible for ISIS. He pulled out of Iraq when everything was finally going right. He abandoned hard fought relationships with local Iraqis and left them hanging in the wind. His withdrawal would have made sense five years earlier, but it was the stupidest possible thing to do when he actually did it. It is the biggest mistake of his Presidency, imho.

I can talk about what Obama did wrong. It is pretty easy, I never voted for the guy. Can Trump voters have an honest conversation about what Trump has done wrong?
 
Maybe you could explain how what he said was pointing out the two-faced nature of the conservative guest?

By pointing out how conservatives like to simultaneously claim that Obama had open borders and that Obama enforced immigration laws vigorously.

And now you're turning on Obama?

I appreciate that you can't remember the details of the political thoughts of every poster, neither can I. I didn't say anything about Obama in that post that I have not said many times before.

So, you can't make any connection between this exchange and somehow complicating or obstructing the actions of the current administration?
 
By pointing out how conservatives like to simultaneously claim that Obama had open borders and that Obama enforced immigration laws vigorously.



I appreciate that you can't remember the details of the political thoughts of every poster, neither can I. I didn't say anything about Obama in that post that I have not said many times before.

So, you can't make any connection between this exchange and somehow complicating or obstructing the actions of the current administration?
Okay, I got it. Cuomo says that Trump is running a despicable and embarrassing system. When it's pointed out that Obama had the same policies Cuomo says that is proof that Obama was following the law. And to you this exchange is proof that conservatives are two-faced. Good on Cuomo for calling them out... by being blatantly two-faced himself I guess.
 
True, but go ahead and pretend they have nothing to do with what is going on. If you can't see that progressives are attempting to obstruct and complicate everything that the current administration attempts to do, even when those actions are in alignment with goals that progressives were in support of immediately before this president took office, then you aren't paying attention. I was listening to CNN the other day and heard a hysterical (and illustrative) exchange. Chris Cuomo had been speaking in support of AOC's concentration camp claims. He talked about how embarrassing and reprehensible he found the Trump administration's handling of the situation. He then brought on a conservative guest who immediately said that Obama had deported more illegal immigrants than any president, including Trump. He added that Obama had also detained people, including many children, in chain-link cages. He said that by AOC's standards that Obama was also running concentration camps. Without hardly a pause Cuomo responded, "So you finally admit that Obama was enforcing our laws?" Cuomo literally spun on a dime when the subject turned to Obama. The same activities that are currently embarrassing and reprehensible were then enforcing our laws.

Obama wants open borders and also deported record numbers of illegal immigrants is a totally cogent argument. (EyeRoll).
 
Okay, I got it. Cuomo says that Trump is running a despicable and embarrassing system. When it's pointed out that Obama had the same policies Cuomo says that is proof that Obama was following the law. And to you this exchange is proof that conservatives are two-faced. Good on Cuomo for calling them out... by being blatantly two-faced himself I guess.
The equivalency between trump and Obama on concentration camps is absurd.

Talking point lies to the immensely gullible.
 
The progressive forces are not running the immigration system nor the concentration camps.


"progressive forces" should not equate with deliberate organized politically-motivated folks on hire from "Capitalists" who fund NGO-class efforts to promote migration of ignorant poor mis-educated low-grade labor into the United States, to reduce their breeding or to provide low-wage labor for casinos, motels/hotels/resorts, meat packers, agricultural corporates, quarries, mines, corporate building contractors, trucking companies, fast food joints, janitorial contractors, groundskeeper contractors, ranchers, porn operations, strip joints, brothels, and apparently innumberable other abusive racketeers who love not paying living wages while bribing Democrat and Republican legislators on every level to "take care" of the indigent, needy workers with taxpayer funds..... free everything for the illegals.... while we don't take care of our own citizens including veterans needing medical care, and our own homeless who live in ramshackle camps along every flood-prone creek and river in the country.

It might be "incremental" progress to you, but it is massively organized and politically supported by people who just plain don't like citizen rule or the US Constitution. Importing a dependendt class already accustomed to peony and servile work for the jefes is not "human progress".

rather, we should be expanding the principles of human rights and human liberty, and undermining the power of elites, cartels, and immoral corporates by teaching people worldwide the origins, the false beliefs and false narratives of Marx and the whole "progressive" movement. +

Progressivism is taught like a religion, and enforced by State authority. This violates the principle that the government should not be permitted to establish a belief paradigm of any kind and perpetrate it via state education systems.

My real commie buddy used to explain this to me, saying China, Russia, Albania, Cuba, and Viet Nam and Cambodia are not "real Marxists" but "State Capitalists". While I never persuaded him either to stop doing booze or drugs or denying the human right of property ownership, he convinced my of the hypocrisy of progressives who love to run governments that are in fact repressive.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt was such a progressive. He had no second thoughts about establishing concentration camps for a clsss of US Citizens he did not trust.

Progressives established the Indian (Native American) Reservations and put the formerly self-reliant bands on the dole. Made reservations a sort of concentration camp, denied citizenship to these native Americans for many years.

Progressives were the carpetbaggers who ran the South in a many repressive to the former slaves.

The word has been hijacked and has always represented the exact opposite. It is not "progress" to take the world back to feudal society, to human subservience to the wealthy and elite.

It is a grand delusion to speak derisively of "Capitalists" while you are a trench digger in their service, helping them to reduce actual human opportunity and choices.

The right of humans to own property and make their own decisions in life is fundamental. No one whose efforts cut down or cut into those rights is "progressive"

The right word is "regressive". And it is no kind of utopia.
 
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