All-Time NBA Draft Final Four: Ellis269 vs. One Love

[The Midnight]

You said they weren't great players, and you basically said they weren't HOF's. Which they are on both accounts.

And you said he HAD TO TAKE THEM TO THE FINALS.


Those are your words clown

I still stand by that.


How many rings would Ginobili + Parker win on their own without Duncan? Replace Duncan with Chris Webber and they'll be lucky to even reach 1 NBA Final.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Bottom line Manu is ****ing awesome, but he is not a top-5 shooting guard of all-time like Wade and Kobe.

 

[Hotdog]

I still stand by that.


How many rings would Ginobili + Parker win on their own without Duncan? Replace Duncan with Chris Webber and they'll be lucky to even reach 1 NBA Final.

Lol.

Dude, your logic is so broken and flawed.

Wtf are you even trying to say?

How many rings would Pippen win without Jordan. None, that's right. We saw that play out.

How many rings would Wade and Kobe win with out Shaq, and Kobe without Pau. None. And it works the same both ways.

Nobody is arguing Duncan wasn't great. But he isn't winning any championships either without Robinson, Ginobli, and Parker. He wouldn't win any without help.

Grow a brain.

 

[The Midnight]

Lol.

Dude, your logic is so broken and flawed.

Wtf are you even trying to say?

How many rings would Pippen win without Jordan. None, that's right. We saw that play out.

How many rings would Wade and Kobe win with out Shaq, and Kobe without Pau. None. And it works the same both ways.

Nobody is arguing Duncan wasn't great. But he isn't winning any championships either without Robinson, Ginobli, and Parker. He wouldn't win any without help.

Grow a brain.

You've just helped me prove my point. Kobe was good enough to have won it again TWICE with Pau even after Shaq left.


That's the point. How many rings would Ginobili have won with Pau?


Exactly.

 

[Miggs]

Ya, maybe.

Wade did have to be extra special to win it, but they still could have won it with Ginobili.

They had a lot of good players on that team. Shaq was still very good, and they had Alonzo who played great too.

This is laughable.

 

[Miggs]

Why not?

That team was great because of their length. It was not just Pau. The combination of Pau, Odom, and Bynum was really hard to beat. That was 3 seven footers in the front court. Pau Gasol was arguably the best big man in the game at the time. He was playing out of his mind. So ya, Ginobli in that mix would have been very good too.

There's zero chance they beat that Celts team.

 

[Miggs]

Look, I know this is a very hard argument to win. It's just a personal opinion of mine. It's hard to sell what isn't main stream.

But this all started because One Love brushed off Ginobili and Parker like they were scrubs, and Duncan was dragging their dead carcasses around.

That just isn't true. Ginobili and Parker have played huge rules in Duncan winning titles. Regardless if you think they are or aren't on Wade and Kobe's level, and it really doesn't matter.

Duncan needed help from other great players just like every other great player has.

What other great player(s) did Hakeem have?

 

[NAOS]

Do you have links to those advanced stats?

not without effort. Sorry. That's how I roll this morning, though.

 

[Hotdog]

This is laughable.

Laugh all you want.

Ginobili has 4 rings, and a gold medal

You can be stupid like One Love all you want, and let the media and stats dictate your knowledge about basketball, and let them tell you when a player is good. But the fact is Ginobili was a big part of winning at least two of those rings, and his medals.

So.........scoreboard. Winning speaks louder than words.

 

[Hotdog]

2004 Olympic basketball

Ginobli leads Argentina with 29 points to a win over the USA team that had Tim Duncan, Dwayne Wade, Allen Iverson, Stephon Marbury, Lamar Odom, Amar'e Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer, and Richard Jefferson.

Ginobli's teamates.... Andres Nocioni and Luis Scola.

Lol wtf.

So some how Ginobili isn't great, but was able to lead his team of nobody's past all those players, granted, some of them young, but not Tim Duncan. And go on to win the Gold Medal.

 

[Miggs]

Laugh all you want.

Ginobili has 4 rings, and a gold medal

You can be stupid like One Love all you want, and let the media and stats dictate your knowledge about basketball, and let them tell you when a player is good. But the fact is Ginobili was a big part of winning at least two of those rings, and his medals.

So.........scoreboard. Winning speaks louder than words.

Your brilliant deduction skills then tell me that Sam Jones is the second greatest basketball player of all-time since he has twelve rings. Ingenious, I tell you.

 

[Hotdog]

Your brilliant deduction skills then tell me that Sam Jones is the second greatest basketball player of all-time since he has twelve rings. Ingenious, I tell you.

Tell me, how did Ginobli lead a team of scrubs to beat a team Led by Tim Duncan in the Olympics?

 

[spycam1]

Kinda funny how this thread has become a discussion on a player that is on neither team.

 

[Hotdog]

Your brilliant deduction skills then tell me that Sam Jones is the second greatest basketball player of all-time since he has twelve rings. Ingenious, I tell you.

You can't even do that right. Wouldn't 12 put him as number 1? He doesn't even have 12 anyways. It's 10.

Any more brilliant arguments you got there, Mr. Cunning??

Why don't you answer my question? You scared?

 

[Miggs]

You can't even do that right. Wouldn't 12 put him as number 1? He doesn't even have 12 anyways. It's 10.

Any more brilliant arguments you got there, Mr. Cunning??

Why don't you answer my question? You scared?

My mistake, it's 10, I was looking in the wrong column. My point still stands. You can sit here and try to refute my point as an intelligent man or you can carry on as the sophomoric troll you appear to be. It's your call.

 

[Miggs]

Tell me, how did Ginobli lead a team of scrubs to beat a team Led by Tim Duncan in the Olympics?

Five of those scrubs played in the NBA and Duncan's brilliant cast included misfits Marbury, Odom and Iverson who admittedly took the blue and white lightly.

 

[Hotdog]

My mistake, it's 10, I was looking in the wrong column. My point still stands. You can sit here and try to refute my point as an intelligent man or you can carry on as the sophomoric troll you appear to be. It's your call.

Lol. Hilarious.

Refute what? I said it's possible he would have won a ring with both Wade's teams and Kobe's teams. That's not really a point by you anyways. How does it stand? It's just a guess on both our parts what would happen.

But what we do have is the fact that Ginobili actually did beat a team with Tim Duncan , Lebron James, Allen Iverson, Dwayne Wade, etc... on it.

Why don't you stop being sophomoric and tell me how that happened. He was the leading scorer from both teams with 29 points. The best player on the floor, and went on to win a gold medal. You can't tell me those guys didn't care to win that either.

So my point stands. I have proof that it could happen.

 

[Miggs]

Lol. Hilarious.

Refute what? I said it's possible he would have won a ring with both Wade's teams and Kobe's teams. That's not really a point by you anyways. How does it stand? It's just a guess on both our parts what would happen.

But what we do have is the fact that Ginobili actually did beat a team with Tim Duncan , Lebron James, Allen Iverson, Dwayne Wade, etc... on it.

Why don't you stop being sophomoric and tell me how that happened. He was the leading scorer from both teams with 29 points. The best player on the floor, and went on to win a gold medal. You can't tell me those guys didn't care to win that either.

So my point stands. I have proof that it could happen.

My bad. Your logic is foolproof. Carlos Arroyo, NBA Hall of Fame, here we come then!!!!!

 

[Eminence]

Kinda funny how this thread has become a discussion on a player that is on neither team.

No no, I support Hack, Manu's team for champions!

 

[Hotdog]

My bad. Your logic is foolproof. Carlos Arroyo, NBA Hall of Fame, here we come then!!!!!

So you are comparing Carlos Arroyo to Manu Ginobili to help your argument?

Seriously?

What is the point of that anyways? Does Carlos Arroyo have any rings? Can you point to a time where Arroyo dominated in an NBA finals like I can point to Ginobili doing it in 05?