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All-Time NBA Draft Round 2: ONE LOVE vs. Thee jazz fan

Which team would win in a 7-game series?


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Elizah Huge

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Team ONE LOVE:

PG - Gary Payton / Dennis Johnson
SG - Reggie Miller / Michael Redd
SF - Paul George / Glenn Robinson
PF - Tim Duncan / Rasheed Wallace
C - Dikembe Mutombo / DeMarcus Cousins

Team Thee jazz fan:

PG - Damian Lillard / Kevin Johnson
SG - Clyde Drexler / Mitch Richmond
SF - Kawhi Leonard / Bernard King
PF - Dennis Rodman / Larry Nance
C - Patrick Ewing / Jermaine O'Neal

ONE LOVE's Case:

Offensive Philosophy

First and foremost the leadership of Gary Payton and Tim Duncan will GALVANIZE and DRIVE this team.

This team will play inside-out basketball with the ever reliable Gary Payton directing the offense together with Tim Duncan down low. An accomplished low post scorer, Tim Duncan will feature prominently offensively, making plays for himself and others.

Reggie Miller, a proven clutch player, will be money with his near perfect clutch 3pt shooting also providing space inside for Duncan to operate. Paul George is also a proven 3pt shooter and slasher and will also score & draw fouls at will.

In the 2nd unit there are scorers galore, again, playing inside out basketball, starting with the DOMINANT and DYNAMIC pairing of Rasheed Wallace and DeMarcus Cousins, both accomplished low post scorers. Then once the defense sags, Michael Redd and Glenn Robinson, both are great outside threats will be wide open to score at will. The ever reliable Dennis Johnson will distribute the ball to where it needs to go and he brings Championship pedigree (1979 Finals MVP) to the 2nd unit.

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Defensive Philosophy

Defensively this is where this team will DOMINATE. Defense starts at the PG with Gary Payton, the only point guard to have ever won a DPOY.

Gary Payton in his prime is considered the best defender of Michael Jordan.

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Then you add Tim Duncan and Dikembe Mutombo, 2 of the best defensive bigs to have ever played the game patrolling the paint and blocking shots. Dikembe Mutombo, one of the best defensive center to have ever played the game, and Tim Duncan, the defensive big with no less than 5 championship rings.

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Match-up with Thee Jazz Fan

Post: Dikembe/Duncan >> Ewing/Rodman

Wing: Miller/George = Drexler/Leonard

Point Guard Payton >> Lillard

Bench Cousins/Wallace/Robinson/Redd/Johnson = Jermaine/Nance/King/Richmond/Johnson

Thee has put together a nice team. But the mismatch in this series will come in the post. Offensively, Duncan in his prime is gonna CRUSH Rodman. He's just too long, strong and skilled. Defensively, the Dikembe and Duncan twin towers are going make it impossible for Ewing to get any shots off inside the paint. Moreover, because Rodman is a non-factor offensively (with his 7 ppg career average), there will be VERY limited scoring inside the paint.

The Wing positions will end in a dead heat between Miller/George and Kawhi/Drexler and here are the numbers:

Reggie Miller vs Clyde Drexler: These 2 have played a total of 16 games against each other in their career, and their averages were:

Drexler: 18.8 ppg, shooting 25% from 3's. Miller: 18.6 ppg, shooting 41.7% from 3's.

Paul George vs Kawhi Leonard: These 2 have played a total of 8 games against each other in their career, and their averages were:

Leonard: 19.4 ppg, shooting 32.4% from 3's. George: 19.4 ppg, shooting 42.1% from 3's.

Scoring wise they are VERY similar. However Kawhi/Drexler will likely suffer a very bad shooting performance from the 3 clogging the lane more for Ewing. Also if Kawhi/Drexler decides to go inside the paint, Dikembe/Duncan are waiting. Miller/George will shoot 3's at an above 40% rate and will open up the paint much more for Duncan to operate inside.

Then in ANOTHER mis-match, at the point, Gary Payton will be shutting down Lillard defensively. Lillard is a good player, but he shouldn't be a starting point guard in these All Time Draft Competiton.

In summary, the DOMINANT post play, the BALANCED scoring, and a Championship Caliber DEFENSE will translate to a 4-2 series win.

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Thee jazz fan's Case:

There is one player that truly concerns me, Tim Duncan the second best pf in the game. Both Rodman and Ewing are excited for the challenge of slowing down OL's team leader. Rodman will draw the primary responsibility of Guarding Duncan, but because Mutombo is primarily a defensive player Ewing will be there for major support in shadowing this Rodman vs Duncan matchup, and he can do this because he has, and can trust Leonard to make the proper rotation to Ewings man if need be. U can't say this about many players in this competition, but Leonard most certainly can be trusted.

Rodman though undersized compared to Duncan is a guy who gives maximum effort at all times. He will lean on u hound u and leave no space for his defender to gather himself or think about his next move, and this will happen all game long. This will lead to mistakes and fatigue as the game and series goes on, and with Ewing and his brand of elite power house defense and elite rim protection. (4 blocks per game) We will call this our Duncan rules!! This will be a brand of defense Duncan has never seen before. If they can slow down Duncan just a little, this is a series my team can win.

Lillard vs the glove is another important matchup. Payton is widely regarded as the best defensive pg in the history of the game. He's definitely in the conversation. However Lillard can score from anywhere on the court, and very good in PnR, and will imply PnR as often as possible with both Ewing and Leonard to give Leonard other matchups, and to help slow down the gloves defense on him. If Lillard is feeling it from range not even perfect defense will aid Payton against Lillard.

Leonard is the leader of this team I consider him the small forward version of Tim Duncan. At the young age of 26, he already figures into the yearly MVP conversation he might be the best two way wing in this thing. He can definitely take out Paul George. While also scoring 25-30 points in every game.

Here's the matchups as I know OL does this in all his matchups and he's known for being unfairly bias doing this.

Mutombo < Ewing
Duncan > Rodman
George < Leonard
Miller < Drexler
Glove > Lillard

Bench

Cousins < O'Neal
Wallace > Nance
Glenn Robinson < Bernard King
Redd < Richmond
D Johnson < KJ.

In the end I feel my team from top to bottom is more skilled with tons of fire power and elite defense, and the Duncan rules which will test Duncan both Physically and mentally. It took Jordan a while to figure out the Jordan rules the same will happen for Duncan. I'm sure he will enjoy watching my team in the rounds to come.

Players best years and some highlights.

Patrick Ewing
28.6 pts. 10.9 reb. 2.2 ast. 1.0 stl. 4 blk. 55%fg 77%ft. 7.9 ft attempts
Highlights
https://youtu.be/I6gyP12HBOY

Dennis Rodman
9.8pts. 18.7reb. 2.3ast. 0.8stl. 0.9blk 53%fg
Highlights
https://youtu.be/xS5yQJQewJU

Kawhi Leonard
25.5pts. 5.8reb. 3.5ast. 1.8stl. 0.7blk 38%3pt 48%fg. 88%ft 7.2 ft attempts per game
Highlights
https://youtu.be/k9KM-aPj-d0
Defense against other NBA stars
https://youtu.be/K0x9tJF1aCU

Defense against other NBA stars
https://youtu.be/K0x9tJF1aCU

Clyde Drexler
27.2pts. 7.9reb. 5.8ast. 2.7stl. 49%fg. 79%ft 7ft attempts per game
Highlights
https://youtu.be/2MkPZWiPitA

Damian Lillard
27pts. 4.9reb. 5.9ast. 0.9stl. 37%3pt. 44%fg. 89%ft 7.3 ft attempts per game
59 or gave against the jazz. Takes Gobert to the rim a few times.
https://youtu.be/jAb3gCQOJjw

Jermaine O'Neal
24.3pts. 8.8reb. 1.9ast. 2.0blk. 45%fg. 75%ft. 8.9 ft attempts per game

Larry Nance sr.
21.1pts. 9.9reb. 3.1ast. 2.3blk. 53%fg. 75%ft 6.2 ft attempts per game

Bernard King.
32.9pts. 5.8reb. 3.7ast. 1.3stl. 53%fg. 77%ft. 10 ft attempts per game

Mitch Richmond
Game highlights vs the rockets
https://youtu.be/YlwVvQIx2NY
25.9pts. 3.9reb. 4.2ast. 1.5stl. 42%3pt. 45%fg. 86%ft. 6.6 ft attempts per game

Kevin Johnson
22.5pts. 3.6ast. 1.3 stl. 49%fg. 83%ft. 8.1ft attempts per game
 
I don't see any way OL wins. The only guy that OL has that can carry an offense is Duncan, and I have two elite defenders bearing down on him all game then u have the only others remote possibility in George, and he's being locked down by the best wing defender in a long time. Miller is a great player but, he only does one thing well, shooting. He needs to be set up, and Payton is a great player but isn't going to be the carry a team on his back type of scorer. I feel like I can neutralize one loves team. My team is more skilled with more fire power, with great defensive play. Duncan might be the best player, but not by much.

Ewing is also an elite two way big Duncan isn't miles ahead of him. Leonard is a finals MVP who played with Duncan and the very best wing defender in the game who was a MVP candidate last year. Lillard is one of the best shooters in this draft who also is great at finishing against the likes of a Duncan or Gobert. Then there's Clyde, NBA champ, and led his team to another finals appearance and named to the 50th anniversary team. I feel my team has accomplished more, and has more ability. How is OL's team even going to hang?

If u really look at these teams and see past Duncan and how I'm defending him, I don't see this as that close?
 
Two very solid teams here. Prefer Kawhi as go-to scorer over anybody else on either team, so I went Thee, almost took it back when I saw him call Duncan the #2 PF
 
Two very solid teams here. Prefer Kawhi as go-to scorer over anybody else on either team, so I went Thee, almost took it back when I saw him call Duncan the #2 PF

Duncan being called the second-best PF ever isn't nearly as dumb as calling Garnett a super-Pippen.
 
Two very solid teams here. Prefer Kawhi as go-to scorer over anybody else on either team, so I went Thee, almost took it back when I saw him call Duncan the #2 PF

When he actually played pf, he couldn't beat Malon's teams. Malone had is way with him. He's played most of his career as a center. Malone has accomplished more as a pf. Duncan is a ****ing center, plus, my god I'm a jazz fan. Put Malone on all those spurs teams. Malone was a better shooter, as good of a post defender, ran the floor better, better passer and playmaker. Duncan is 7feet tall which was a major advantage. Which is why he's a better rim protector and maybe a better rebounder I may be reaching with rebounding, but being longer does make it easier, also ft shooting. The list goes on and on. Please tell me how Duncan is a better pf?
 
When he actually played pf, he couldn't beat Malon's teams. Malone had is way with him. He's played most of his career as a center. Malone has accomplished more as a pf. Duncan is a ****ing center, plus, my god I'm a jazz fan. Put Malone on all those spurs teams. Malone was a better shooter, as good of a post defender, ran the floor better, better passer and playmaker. Duncan is 7feet tall which was a major advantage. Which is why he's a better rim protector and maybe a better rebounder I may be reaching with rebounding, but being longer does make it easier, also ft shooting. The list goes on and on. Please tell me how Duncan is a better pf?

bish dont talk about malone you didnt even vote for his team.
 
Oh, and Malone had to go against Jordan his entire career or I'm willing to bet Malone has one maybe two championships and he had to get by Barkley Olajuwon and Drexler on one team to get to the finals. Put a 1992 Malone on those good spurs teams and they are as dominant if not more. Don't feed me this garbage that malone wasn't a better pf then Malone. I'm fine with anyone calling Duncan a better player, but not a better pf
 
And while we're at it. Magic wasn't a better pg then Stockton. Again he played on a way better team then Stockton did. Had Stockton played on those Laker teams, and had Magic played for Utah, Stockton would probably be the more well known player
 
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