America in Four Graphs

[LORDZEDD]

Next time before you think don't. Carter if anything temporarily advanced the rest of the worlds view of the US with a very active stance in foreign policy.
Did not do much for the US in domestic policy.

Now reagan, some of his "inside buddy" deals definitely had an impact on our standing today.

Right back at you, before you state something, murmur it to yourself, recheck your facts and then come back at me regarding my statement with a better counter, from what you have stated, it probably comes to a better understanding that you haven't heard all sides and are being deaf to the atrocities this man has done towards the world, oh yes, what he did in Palestine was truth be told amazing but for every good he has done, Jimmy has done ten times worse, read history the joker but may be your name fits you appropriately for someone who does not know the difference between good and evil or in this case jimmy carter the myth and the reality.

And, for you, I shall elaborate let us start with my own country and his creation of this deplorable regime, yes, he did create this regime under the pretense that Ayatollah Khomeini is Gandhi, that Islamic fundamentalists are easier to control than nationalist and in turn this piece of dirt created a domino effect to the world we are seeing now, Ill go to my country's neighbor, Afghanistan, the creation of this Mujahideen groups were promulgated and fostered by this piece of crap, Jimmy Carter, he was actually pushing a fundamentalist country more akin to delusional Islamic culture than to the real thing, but it seems you are blinded by his fallacy of helpfulness.

Next, lets go to El Salvador, you would love what this piece of **** did to El Salvador, he backed the murders of innocents and continued the massacre in this country for your so called stance of foreign affairs, here, just for fun, lets read a quote

"You say that you are Christian. If you are really Christian, please stop sending military aid to the military here, because they use it only to kill my people." Oscar Romero

Carter said "the soul of our foreign policy is human rights", amazing, is it? you seem to read press releases instead of facts, in East Timor, he backed and paid the Jakarta government with the murder of 200,000 men, try typing it, there are dozens of AP articles stating this, the man did the same in Haiti, all over africa, half of south america and the Philippines.

yes, foreign policy, now lets start with the economy of the country when he started and when he ended, you can use google for this, you would see a difference.

by the way, I apologize for sarcasm and a statement filled with snide but you started it with an insult, seems westerners start an argument with you are stupid instead of proving the opposing side as wrong but just goes to show you are indeed a jimmy carter follower, foreign policy with insults but jimmy adds the quotient of death, famine, pillaging and destruction in his wake.

 

[LORDZEDD]

dont use the israel and egypt treaty this man claims was his work, that was purely Anwar Sadat thinking for the betterment of his country.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

First off, people to should be free to get up to their eyeballs in debt if they choose to do so. Greed and jealousy are emotions virtually impossible for humans to control. The financial acumen of the "depression era" generation is highly overrated and exaggerated. These folks paid for things in cash because they had no choice. Consumer credit did not exist. Even then, car loans are not a new "modern" phenomenon. GMAC was started in 1919. The depression era folks largely behaved the way they behaved due to the vast sums of money lost in the banking system. There was FDIC at the time. People from that generation were highly scarred. With that said, this generation did not shun the modern trappings of everyday life. They dived right in for fridges, cars, houses, tv's, etc just like any other generation.

Each generation is aghast at what the generation below spends their dollars on. I am old enough to remember when a serious technological upgrade to one's living conditions was getting a rotary TV antennae on the roof. Hell, my dad blew a gasket when he I told him I pay for Onstar.

People are free to get up to their eyeballs in debt, and that is what is happenning to our economy. You are free to make the choice, not free to choose the consequence of that choice. The only reason greed and jealousy would be nearly impossible to control is if you dont try. A little effort goes a long way. Whatever bad habits we have, we tend to pass on to our kids.... who may just take it to the next level. My parents never once talked to me about finances, or how to handle money and spending. I had to learn it the hard way. First I could not buy something because they or I did not have the money, then I learned it on my own as I was on my own. My point is the way to fix this is to teach our kids by example how to do things right, along with words. As far as I can tell it is not happenning either way, and each succeeding generation has been worse.

If we spend more than we make, it is like a tree. What we make is the trunk and roots, and what we spend is the branches and leaves. At some point if the branches and leaves keep growing much faster than the trunk, it is going to crack/split/fall. Not if, but when. We need to prune our trees as individuals to be in line with our trunks. Until this happens, expect much more of this up and down economy until something really bad happens.

 

[Scat]

How does the government bail these people out? I know of no program that does this nor of one in the planning stages.

Bankruptcy, social security, medicare...

 

[Jazz Spazz]

How does the government bail these people out? I know of no program that does this nor of one in the planning stages.

The government bails out people, and companies all the time. What is a company, but a large group of people working towards the same goal (somewhat).
There are tons of government programs and money used as a subsidy for different markets. Bailouts to companies that are run into the ground. Bankruptcy is everywhere.... if thats not a bailout I dont know what is, especially when they build up the debt and do it again.

Just a few thoughts.

 

[catzies]

If you have a link to that figure, i'd be interested in having it (not doubting you, just would like to be able to show that to people).

Secondly, even with that being true, the % is staying the same because some workers are increasing compensation while other workers...are seeing their jobs disappear.



I mean yes, the material gains are great, and I said as much.

My whole point with these graphs was to make the case, that this trend (more and more stuff, less and less work) was not going away for a decade plus and that I don't think this is because of globalization/immigration/govt spending. And if this is going to be our new reality, we need to adjust our social structures to take this into account.

We need our institutions to be more flexible in dealing with part-time/contract workers. We need to change our education system dramatically, so that it spends less time teaching facts and more time teachign independent thinking etc.

Bit of a threadjack, but teaching independent thinking is what they DON'T

 

[Boondocksaint27]

The problem is that everyone now feels they need these things, are even entitled to these things, and don't view them as a luxury or want and will do whatever it takes to get them.

This. Being in my late 20's I have watched many of my friends feel that they need the nice house, nice car, and all of the luxuries that go with them despite the fact that they can't pay for any of it. They end up house-poor or in debt up to their eyeballs over items they feel like they were entitled to in the first place. They want what their parents have, yet don't feel that they should have to work as long or earn more to attain it.

And while I'm thinking about it, what's in store for the next generation? Kids don't need to go outside and get physical exercise anymore as they have Xbox, Playstation, Wii, and Computers. Childhood obesity is at an all-time high (as is my understanding). You know have programs like NFL Play60 urging children to please, please, just go outside and play for sixty minutes a day. You've got programs catering to students who have no attention span. Early out days in high school, late days in high school, evening class options for high school students, all of which lacking structure. In short, I don't like where we are headed.

 

[franklin]

Can I get a LORDZEDD bitch slap, Amen?

 

[franklin]

Whatever old musty biatches. I'm doubling down on Ken Fisher and saying we can go to 1000% debt to GDP. Derivatives are becoming super refined, and have all but alleviated all investment risk. Get ahead of the crowd and buy everything you can today.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Whatever old musty biatches. I'm doubling down on Ken Fisher and saying we can go to 1000% debt to GDP. Derivatives are becoming super refined, and have all but alleviated all investment risk. Get ahead of the crowd and buy everything you can today.

Do you think you are King Arthur?


King Arthur: Old woman.
Dennis: Man.
King Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
King Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37. I'm not old.
King Arthur: Well I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: Well you could say "Dennis".
King Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out did you?
King Arthur: I did say sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior.
King Arthur: Well I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers. By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society.

 

[catzies]

Dangitsomuch.
Editing doesn't work.
Meant to say teaching independent thinking raises independent thinkers which seem to be anathema in our consumption-driven economy.
Independent thinkers seem to question what they're told and are not always so easily led.
I'm more interested in the human psychology element in economics more than the number crunching side.

(And Holy Grail is my 2nd favorite after the Big Lebowski.)

I've added nothing to the discussion as always, but I'm always interested in the back and forth and in seeing how viewpoints develop.

 

[The-Joker]

Right back at you, before you state something, murmur it to yourself, recheck your facts and then come back at me regarding my statement with a better counter, from what you have stated, it probably comes to a better understanding that you haven't heard all sides and are being deaf to the atrocities this man has done towards the world, oh yes, what he did in Palestine was truth be told amazing but for every good he has done, Jimmy has done ten times worse, read history the joker but may be your name fits you appropriately for someone who does not know the difference between good and evil or in this case jimmy carter the myth and the reality.

And, for you, I shall elaborate let us start with my own country and his creation of this deplorable regime, yes, he did create this regime under the pretense that Ayatollah Khomeini is Gandhi, that Islamic fundamentalists are easier to control than nationalist and in turn this piece of dirt created a domino effect to the world we are seeing now, Ill go to my country's neighbor, Afghanistan, the creation of this Mujahideen groups were promulgated and fostered by this piece of crap, Jimmy Carter, he was actually pushing a fundamentalist country more akin to delusional Islamic culture than to the real thing, but it seems you are blinded by his fallacy of helpfulness.

Next, lets go to El Salvador, you would love what this piece of **** did to El Salvador, he backed the murders of innocents and continued the massacre in this country for your so called stance of foreign affairs, here, just for fun, lets read a quote

"You say that you are Christian. If you are really Christian, please stop sending military aid to the military here, because they use it only to kill my people." Oscar Romero

Carter said "the soul of our foreign policy is human rights", amazing, is it? you seem to read press releases instead of facts, in East Timor, he backed and paid the Jakarta government with the murder of 200,000 men, try typing it, there are dozens of AP articles stating this, the man did the same in Haiti, all over africa, half of south america and the Philippines.

yes, foreign policy, now lets start with the economy of the country when he started and when he ended, you can use google for this, you would see a difference.

by the way, I apologize for sarcasm and a statement filled with snide but you started it with an insult, seems westerners start an argument with you are stupid instead of proving the opposing side as wrong but just goes to show you are indeed a jimmy carter follower, foreign policy with insults but jimmy adds the quotient of death, famine, pillaging and destruction in his wake.