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We need our institutions to be more flexible in dealing with part-time/contract workers. We need to change our education system dramatically, so that it spends less time teaching facts and more time teachign independent thinking etc.
Good luck selling that to the American public/Military Industrial Complex, commie.
 
We need our institutions to be more flexible in dealing with part-time/contract workers. We need to change our education system dramatically, so that it spends less time teaching facts and more time teachign independent thinking etc.

A focus on math and science is also a must...especially if we are to keep up with the rest of the world.
 
That's what you're supposed to do in a debt based economy.

I think you are joking... but I will respond to this anyway.

That is the problem, we should not be a debt based economy, we should be a spend what you have and nothing more.
Better yet, spend less than you have.
Too many people are addicted to things and have to buy the best of everything before they have the money to do so.
Credit cards are given out, Loans given out etc to people that dont know how to save, or plan for the future.
Quite blaming the government, and take a little accountability.... blame ourselves for the mess we are in... then go from there.

Until people realise they are part of the problem, and quit pointing the finger of blame at other people or organizations there will be no improvement.

I now step down from my soap box.
 
I think you are joking... but I will respond to this anyway.

That is the problem, we should not be a debt based economy, we should be a spend what you have and nothing more.
Better yet, spend less than you have.
Too many people are addicted to things and have to buy the best of everything before they have the money to do so.
Credit cards are given out, Loans given out etc to people that dont know how to save, or plan for the future.
Quite blaming the government, and take a little accountability.... blame ourselves for the mess we are in... then go from there.

Until people realise they are part of the problem, and quit pointing the finger of blame at other people or organizations there will be no improvement.

I now step down from my soap box.


My comment was definitely sarcastic.
 
I think you are joking... but I will respond to this anyway.

That is the problem, we should not be a debt based economy, we should be a spend what you have and nothing more.
Better yet, spend less than you have.
Too many people are addicted to things and have to buy the best of everything before they have the money to do so.
Credit cards are given out, Loans given out etc to people that dont know how to save, or plan for the future.
Quite blaming the government, and take a little accountability.... blame ourselves for the mess we are in... then go from there.

Until people realise they are part of the problem, and quit pointing the finger of blame at other people or organizations there will be no improvement.

I now step down from my soap box.

I couldn't agree with this more. I can see a huge difference between my grandparents to my parents to myself and even my youngest brother who is 11 years younger than me. Where my grandparents were a product of the Great Depression and bought only what they really needed with cash and saved everything else, my younger brother will go buy a new car just because he tired of the color he currently has. All of his kids have their own room, their own TV, their own cell phone and his daughter that just turned 16 is getting her own car. I know he is in debt up to eyeballs.

The problem is that everyone now feels they need these things, are even entitled to these things, and don't view them as a luxury or want and will do whatever it takes to get them.
 
Just a blog post I came across...

Fixing Education: Will We Ever Learn?

Probably not, but this highlights the problem:

New data show that fewer than 25% of 2010 graduates who took the ACT college-entrance exam possessed the academic skills necessary to pass entry-level courses, despite modest gains in college-readiness among U.S high-school students in the last few years.

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About 70% of students who sat for the ACT took a core curriculum in high school, but only 29% met college-readiness standards on all four subject exams.

I know the rest of this Ticker is going to be unpopular, but it is nonetheless true:

Classes like "Web Design" and programs that put "computers in every classroom" will do exactly nothing to fix this.

Neither do integrating academic classes across intellectual capability - in fact, doing that is guaranteed to screw the brightest by holding the class back to within the abilities of the weakest students in the group. Nor, for that matter, does buying new textbooks every year advance one inch toward this goal. Biology, Chemistry and Physics don't get "re-written" and neither does mathematics. Classical English requires a stack of actual paperback classics for reading material, and grammar doesn't change every year either! Nor does history, if you're teaching actual history and not "social studies" intended to produce good little sheep instead of providing an intellectually-rigorous examination of both the successes and failures of civilizations from ancient times to the present day.

Intellectual rigor is necessary. But intellectual rigor means handing out lots of "F"s when they're called for - that is, failing students. It means sending home plenty of homework.

And it means cutting the crap in elementary and middle school, and instead of focusing on "smaller classes" and "smartboards in every room" we must instead focus on the CORE subjects with students separated by competence - that is, English, math, science and HISTORY, not "social studies."

All four of those are hard sciences and fact-based. "Social Studies" is not by definition, and the games played there must stop.

We must insist that so-called "core curriculum" students have a year of Biology, Chemistry and Physics in high school - and be prepared to take those classes when they come out of middle school. This means that fluff classes like "earth science" are inappropriate for college-bound students. Senior-year high school students should have a panoply of higher-level science studies to engage in (such as Organic Chem), having completed the core of Biology, Chemistry and Physics by the end of their junior year. We are woefully inadequate in our science education.

We must insist that students be able to take Algebra in their Freshman year of high school. This means the 8th grade year must be pre-Algebra - in middle school at worst. Incidentally, I'd argue that the current "cycle" on this is too wide that is, the typical "Algebra, Geometry, Algebra 2, Trig, Calc 1, etc" needs to ideally be reduced so that by one's senior year they're taking Calc 1. This, incidentally, is not seen as a core path anywhere I'm aware of when it comes to high school (absent IB or honors classes), but it damn well ought to be. Algebra should, IMHO, ideally be the core class in 8th grade, meaning you're taking geometry as a freshman.

And when it comes to English, what currently passes is laughable. Four years of english and literature should not only be mandatory, it should be extraordinarily rigorous, with students able to not only read and comprehend classical literature but be able to write in complete, proper sentences long before they graduate. The key to this is a strong reading curriculum in the earlier grades - without a strong reading ability the rest is a waste of time. Strong English skills are mandatory for both science and history - and if you're missing the first you're doomed with the other two.

Susan Traiman, public policy director for the Business Roundtable, called the mismatch between the core curriculum and the test scores "false advertising" by high schools. She also noted that the results spell trouble for businesses.

Of course they're false advertising. But the problem isn't, as often claimed, the "180 days of 50 minute classes." In point of fact the actual instructional time in terms of delivered instruction in the average High School is closer to two hours a day, not six.

This is repeatedly proved by home-schooled kids who manage to grossly exceed these standards while spending two hours a day in formal studies - but they actually work the entire two hours, with the rest being consumed with practical application of what they've learned.

I ran a company in Chicago for more than a decade, with the last five years of it in the city proper with a few dozen people working for me. Fully 80% of the applicants for positions with MCSNet were unable to pass an English and Math class calibrated at the fifth grade.

I demanded that applicants, to obtain an interview, be able to:

Complete 20 mathematics problems demonstrating practical math in a business sense - that is, the sales tax and change on a series of hypothetical transactions.

Demonstrate competence in business English, specifically, sufficient mastery of the language that the applicant could write a simple business letter to a customer explaining and documenting their payment history, along with the amount due.
80% of the people applying for positions - or more - all claiming High School diplomas - could not pass this exam. Yet there was no algebra demanded, say much less geometry or trig - only four-function mathematics performed with a pencil and paper, along with basic sentence structure and grammar!

I had a literal horizontal file cabinet full of failed tests with alleged "resumes" that were supposedly written by applicants that couldn't structure a sentence properly. Who wrote their resumes?

The NEA and the rest of the so-called "Educational Establishment" has failed. We cannot continue to pour money into a system that not only sucks, it has sucked and continues to suck. We don't need more spending, we don't need computers, and we sure as hell don't need $30,000 white boards and $10,000 worth of video games in our schools. What we need is reading, writing, hard science and arithmetic - all of which can be taught very effectively without one high-tech "innovation." Indeed, when it comes to the various mathematical disciplines calculators, computers and other so-called "innovations" are a hindrance, not a help, as they're a CRUTCH. We weren't allowed to use them in my classes and students should be allowed to possess them in school (instead, these days, "graphing calculators" are considered required tools in some high school classes! What the hell is wrong with a piece of graph paper and a pencil?)

The solution is for localities to issue educational vouchers to each parent in the amount of the school funding allocated to their child, and allow them to submit that voucher at the school of their choice, or to homeschool. However, in order to cash that voucher, said student must pass their grade-level standardized test which must be drawn from the core state-wide curriculum in each and every one of the core subjects. Classes must be integrated by intellectual ability so as to both challenge the brightest while allowing those who are not as bright to proceed.

Schools are not to nurture "self-esteem" - they are places of education where one is supposed to learn the core competencies required to succeed in the world of work. Our "educational lobby" has not only failed, they have failed spectacularly, and must be dismantled if we are to ever tackle this problem.

It starts with the parents and the business people in our communities. Until both raise hell and refuse to support the existing system, demanding and in fact forcing change, we will continue to fall behind. We must start with de-certification of the NEA and de-funding of the existing schools if they refuse to spend their time and money on actual education instead of blowing money on gimmicks and "high tech" nonsense.

In short we must play Donald Trump and say the famous two words: You're fired!
 
I disagree completely.

How many people on this board have ever used calculus outside of a classroom?

On what planet would you need organic chemistry in high school?

We don't need to be teaching more, we need to be teaching less subjects but with better effectiveness.
 
Advanced Edit is fried again (security token missing).

To be clear, I meant the blogger. I have no idea what VINYLONE pay attention to.
 
@ Ond & It: Could his argument be that a better foundation of differing subjects would help the student be more well rounded? I posted the article more for thought provocation than anything.
 
I disagree completely.

How many people on this board have ever used calculus outside of a classroom?

On what planet would you need organic chemistry in high school?

We don't need to be teaching more, we need to be teaching less subjects but with better effectiveness.

I think the idea is to be prepped for college. As one of the 2010 graduates that article was talking about, all my entry level science and math courses have been kicking my *** repeatedly. I understand that some people are "artists" and do not need it for a career. But the way the current system works, they give you the least training possible to be an acceptable human being, and in the way that jr. high prepared one for high school... high school does NOT prepare for college. Hell I got above a 4.0 my junior and senior year, and rarely if ever did homework and was challenged.
 
I disagree completely.

How many people on this board have ever used calculus outside of a classroom?

On what planet would you need organic chemistry in high school?

We don't need to be teaching more, we need to be teaching less subjects but with better effectiveness.


Better yet, how many people have the brain capacity to do calculus? The first step in educational reform is realizing that the human intellectual skill set is not equally distributed across the entire course content. As a side note, using graph paper and a pencil when one can be taught to master a graphing calculator is beyond idiotic.
 
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