America is great and everything is NOT Pres. Trump's fault thread

[Getting Traded]

sorry oi wa snot born with an american or english spoon up my ***?
English is not my first language. not my second language. not my 3rd language it is actually my 4th. show me how you communicate in your 4th language if it is better then how i can communicate in my 4th language, you get to criticize it! especially if you "speak" 8 languages
i say "speak" because i can understand Portuguese, but i am turrible in speaking it. but can get around a Portuguese country fine! once you know Spanish Portuguese is easy

now to the argument/.
if i wave a Nazi flag it does not infringe on your rights? on what right does it infringe. you don't have a right to no be offended.
if i am singing along to a rap song blasting out the n word what right does it infringe on(assuming i am not blasting it at 130db when i literally start puncturing your eardrum)
tell me what right do my words infringe on. i am waiting!


Freedom of speech only works if there are no stupid hate speech things attached

If you want to wave a flag and say you're ok with the Holocaust, more power to you, but it suggests you also have no problem with wholesale murder. You're right, you have more versatile literacy than me. But you know there is such a thing as basic human decency and those examples you gave are examples of extreme indecency and ignorance.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

What do you think of the video I just posted, JB? Should we be praising Trump for the economy instead? Can we praise Trump in light of what the gentleman said?

Someone makes a thread about what's positive in the world. You drop in and take **** after **** and expect me to eat it? No thanks.

 

[Getting Traded]

Someone makes a thread about what's positive in the world. You drop in and take **** after **** and expect me to eat it? No thanks.

How can you say anything positive about Trump? You need another topic to do that. Judging by his actions, he is pure evil: separating small children from their parents, and now he wants to shoots people in the Caravan, half of whom are kids. That doesn't say anything about the fact that almost everything he says is a lie.

 

[LogGrad98]

How can you say anything positive about Trump? You need another topic to do that. Judging by his actions, he is pure evil: separating small children from their parents, and now he wants to shoots people in the Caravan, half of whom are kids. That doesn't say anything about the fact that almost everything he says is a lie.

You missed the purpose of the thread then. The purpose was to acknowledge the positive that still exists and not use this thread to throw blame around. It's not going to be perfect but it would be better if everyone at least tried to play along. Feel free to start another thread titled "everything that is trump's fault". It will likely be much longer than this one.

 

[Getting Traded]

You missed the purpose of the thread then. The purpose was to acknowledge the positive that still exists and not use this thread to throw blame around. It's not going to be perfect but it would be better if everyone at least tried to play along. Feel free to start another thread titled "everything that is trump's fault". It will likely be much longer than this one.

Yes, I did, but the OP should've used something else rather than Trump as the barometer ... it's hard to find anything positive with him as President. Some people say their job situation improved. But that likely has nothing to do with Trump.

 

[fishonjazz]

Someone makes a thread about what's positive in the world.

This isnt exactly true.
He made a thread about whats positive about trump and what trump has done. Im quite certain the thread wasnt made with good intentions. The thread went exactly how he wanted it to go im guessing.

 

[fishonjazz]

You missed the purpose of the thread then. The purpose was to acknowledge the positive that still exists and not use this thread to throw blame around.

I disagree.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

of course you dont understand.

in USA you have freedom of speech, and unlike popular believe their is no such thing as hate speech. in the EU it is different. but if the trend continues with this "belief" that their is such a thing a shate speech. if the left has it's way it will be a thing.

in a true republic. you do not get to vote on how i use my vocal cords. you do not get to vote to force me to spend money on healthcare. you do not get to vote to take my money to educate people with my money on your beliefs that go counter against mine! that is the definition of authoritarian. i am minding my own business and you are infringing on me! that is what eventually every government grows into!


and when you impose hate speech laws. you are hiding the truth from me.

take for example you have a nieghbour he is a national socialist, and he wants to plant his national socialist flag he bought with HIS money, With his labor and plant in on HIS property! as a jew who lost 8 branches of my family tree in the holocaust i dont want to see that flag. but my neighbour can plant that flag on his property all he wants. maybe i will build a higher wall.
if he is not allowed to plant them(in usa you can have nazi flags, in eu you can not under special reggulation like museums movie studios etc are allowed) he will still be a naiotnal socialist. but i will never know. so not only did the governemtn(aka the voters) decide to take away rights of my nieghbour. they also took my right away from knowing the turh about my neighbour.

there is this grey area call to action.
for example me and 5 friends talking and planning to rob a bank. maybe we are joking maybe it is a thought excercise maybe it is a real plan. nothing can be done. but the moment 1 starts laying his hand on the guns, 1 the getaway car. 1 on blueprints for the bank. then maybe it's time to put them on trial.

so in short my neighbour should be able to plant his nationalist socialist flag. but when he gets to gether and start building an oven. investigate why he is building the oven. maybe it;'s just a microwvae for drying wood. maybe he ha splans to throw my jew *** into it.

the way the democrats see democracy is sadly the authoritroian way our way when we have majority and in peach orange man when it goes against them.

There is so much right with this post. I know people around here despise Dutch, and I agree he can be a lot to handle at times, but if there are people who disagree with what he said here I'd really love to hear their reasoning.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

This isnt exactly true.
He made a thread about whats positive about trump and what trump has done. Im quite certain the thread wasnt made with good intentions. The thread went exactly how he wanted it to go im guessing.

I doubt it.

 

[Getting Traded]

There is so much right with this post. I know people around here despise Dutch, and I agree he can be a lot to handle at times, but if there are people who disagree with what he said here I'd really love to hear their reasoning.

It was difficult to understand his reasoning and I probably didn't make as much effort to do so. But I guess he is talking about tyranny of the majority, which can happen. Trouble is that the Orange Man is an insult and a danger to our country and the only ones who can't see it are very short-sighted and naive.

 

[One Brow]

Per request of Joe Bagadonuts

in a true republic. you do not get to vote on how i use my vocal cords.

True, but you also don't get a free pass from legal, private repercussions to your speech.

you do not get to vote to force me to spend money on healthcare.

There are three choices:
1) If you don't contribute to healthcare insurance, and you get sick beyond your immediate means to pay, you die.
2) If you don't contribute to healthcare insurance, and you get sick beyond your immediate means to pay, you get treatment anyhow, and everyone else winds up paying for your healthcare.
3) You contribute to healthcare insurance.

I choose 3) as the least terrible. What's your choice?

you do not get to vote to take my money to educate people with my money on your beliefs that go counter against mine!

Yes, we do, as long as it is an accurate education. Everyone benefits from a robust public education system, so everyone contributes. Creationist don't get a veto on the biology curricula. Holocaust deniers don't get a veto on history curricula.

that is the definition of authoritarian.

That's the definition of maintaining a functioning society.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yes, I did, but the OP should've used something else rather than Trump as the barometer ... it's hard to find anything positive with him as President. Some people say their job situation improved. But that likely has nothing to do with Trump.

I think they brought that up to partly say that let's not drag everything into the "it's Trump's fault" narrative. Now I definitely think both groups have spent time mucking up the thread, but I think the premise is a decent idea. There are a lot of good things in the US right now, let's talk about that maybe.