America is great and everything is NOT Pres. Trump's fault thread

[LogGrad98]

I thought I would start a positive thread about how well the country is doing right now and share the good things that are happening and will happen in the future.

Here are a few things to start:

RECORD 156,562,000 EMPLOYED
OCTOBER JOBS: +250K...

ECONOMY ADDING 1,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS PER DAY...

HISPANIC UNEMPLOYMENT ALL TIME LOW...

WAGE GAINS STRONGEST IN DECADE...

Record low emissions right now.

Have a great day everyone! You too liberals!

Hey Heathme, Blowme.

No thanks. Get your negativity out of here grumpy.

Hey, I even found links to positive news from liberal websites!!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/good-news
https://www.today.com/news/good-news
https://www.cnn.com/specials/tv/the-good-stuff
https://www.nytimes.com/spotlight/the-week-in-good-news

Trump and Congress have set up the .01-1%ers and basically ****ed everyone else. Wage growth won't even keep up with inflation. Meanwhile good luck with healthcare and cuts to Social Security, etc. The lion's share of Americans are swimming upstream. It's all a charade, ya dimwit. Not to mention the social chaos Trump hath wrought. And who gives a **** about the environment we leave for our children?

I agree with the title. America is a great and every problem is definitely not Trumps. The vasts majority of problems in this world are not Trumps fault and have nothing to do with him.

Trump is not making America great again because it already was and it keeps getting better despite him.

The world is becoming a better place slowly but surely. We are murdering less people and letting people live their lives how they want more and more. Trump is fighting the live their lives part but thats okay, it just means more people standing up for themselves and others.

I think Trump has been great for this country. He has caused more people to pay attention to politics and give a **** about things around them. More people are united and caring in spite of him and some because of him. His policies have set some stuff back but nothing that wont be undone when he is gone.

The only real thing he ****ed up badly is pushing a supreme court justice in that has a agenda and that is not what we need in that position. They should be more neutral and not someone who is going to try and push their parties agenda. But that goes both ways.

Its also weird how much we credit or blame we give the presidents for the Economy. They have very little impact on that. Yet its the main thing a lot of people judge them on. Also some of the changes they do make and the influence they do have is very delayed and often the wrong person is getting the blame or credit for the economy. The fact that we credit Clinton for how great the economy was and blame Bush is really just luck or unlucky for them.

Yes, I did, but the OP should've used something else rather than Trump as the barometer ... it's hard to find anything positive with him as President. Some people say their job situation improved. But that likely has nothing to do with Trump.

So there you have it. The very first quote by the OP and the second even, trying to kick off a positive look at the US. And what is the immediate response? Blowme. Nice. So where did defense of Trump come in? When it was the only thing being thrown around. One person, Ron, did make an attempt to stick with the premise, but everyone else just **** all over it.

And personally I did not take it to mean that the OP was saying Trump is what is positive, he merely said let's not just blame him for everything and let's talk about the good things happening in the country. If you think Trump is the barometer here then it is you choosing to measure by it. The OP never set that up.

 

[Heathme]

So there you have it. The very first quote by the OP and the second even, trying to kick off a positive look at the US. And what is the immediate response? Blowme. Nice. So where did defense of Trump come in? When it was the only thing being thrown around. One person, Ron, did make an attempt to stick with the premise, but everyone else just **** all over it.

And personally I did not take it to mean that the OP was saying Trump is what is positive, he merely said let's not just blame him for everything and let's talk about the good things happening in the country. If you think Trump is the barometer here then it is you choosing to measure by it. The OP never set that up.

Thank you LogGrad98. I was hoping to have some semblance of positivity in this thread. First response was blowme so there you go. I leave the partisan fight for the many conservative bashing threads out there already.

 

[Red]

The president has the most visible soapbox in the country. And our media, regardless of their bias, makes sure television viewers hear what the president has to say. Does he have the right to demonize the free press? The opposition party? The president claims the media is the enemy of the people, and that the media is just that because they are telling lies about him. But, if instead, they are telling the truth in simply pointing out his lies, then why should they not point out that calling the media the enemy of the people is demonizing the institution that monitors the words and behavior of our political leaders?

How is what the president is doing not a part of creating a Post Truth landscape in which large segments of the electorate will simply believe in lies and propaganda? And, in doing that to our democratic institutions, like a free press, like the opposition party, is that similar to crying fire in a crowded theater? If the president is a pathological liar, and creating an alternate reality in which the press and opposition party are enemies of America, how else can we combat that other then by pointing out again, and again, and again that that is exactly what he is doing? And if we see an uptick in violence perpetrated by white nationalists, how do we address the fact that the president of the United States seems to encourage white nationalist groups by means of his rhetoric? By simply pointing out that this is happening, we are somehow guilty of infringing on rights? Or are we instead pointing out that our president is in fact crying fire in a crowded theater?

 

[LogGrad98]

The president has the most visible soapbox in the country. And our media, regardless of their bias, makes sure television viewers hear what the president has to say. Does he have the right to demonize the free press? The opposition party? The president claims the media is the enemy of the people, and that the media is just that because they are telling lies about him. But, if instead, they are telling the truth in simply pointing out his lies, then why should they not point out that calling the media the enemy of the people is demonizing the institution that monitors the words and behavior of our political leaders?

How is what the president is doing not a part of creating a Post Truth landscape in which large segments of the electorate will simply believe in lies and propaganda? And, in doing that to our democratic institutions, like a free press, like the opposition party, is that similar to crying fire in a crowded theater? If the president is a pathological liar, and creating an alternate reality in which the press and opposition party are enemies of America, how else can we combat that other then by pointing out again, and again, and again that that is exactly what he is doing? And if we see an uptick in violence perpetrated by white nationalists, how do we address the fact that the president of the United States seems to encourage white nationalist groups by means of his rhetoric? By simply pointing out that this is happening, we are somehow guilty of infringing on rights? Or are we instead pointing out that our president is in fact crying fire in a crowded theater?

I am not disputing that, not sure who is. I agree with you. I think Trump is a cancer. But I think there are a lot of threads to talk about Trump and his failure. I haven't taken anything in this thread to be full-on Trump apologetics, other than the responses from the conservatives to the criticisms of the liberals. I thought this thread was supposed to be talking about everything going right in the country. We need some positivity in this climate. Some light in the expanding darkness, if you will.

 

[Heathme]

China is looking to deal on tariffs!! Great news for America!
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/...ariffs-increase-imports-amid-tensions-with-us

 

[Heathme]

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/jimmy-johns-founder-gives-car-to-driver-who-rescued-ailing-vet/

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/cus...-he-can-go-home-early-to-be-with-ailing-wife/

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/longest-running-free-clinic-treats-2-million-people/

 

[DutchJazzer]

There is so much right with this post. I know people around here despise Dutch, and I agree he can be a lot to handle at times, but if there are people who disagree with what he said here I'd really love to hear their reasoning.

their reasoning #REEEESIST #OrangemanBAD.

because they lose on the arguments and policy.

the aclu used to defend a neo national socialist his free speech!


when govenrments get to decide what hate speech is. people like chavez, mao, stalin, castro, obama and hitler get to decide what you say and start bunring books. if that doesnt scare the leftist imagine if there come hate speech laws. then trump gets to decide what hate speech is you want that?

#orangemanbad

 

[DutchJazzer]

That's the definition of maintaining a functioning society.

there is no reasoning with someone stupid enough to think the pitsburg attack is trumps fault. because that means you are to stupid to comprehend simple things.

or if you know it is not his fault there is no reasoning with an evil morally bankrupt person like yourself that uses the death bodies of my people to grandstand on their rgaves.


but hitler used exactly that argument. maintaining a functioning society!
so there you have it

 

[One Brow]

So there you have it. The very first quote by the OP and the second even, trying to kick off a positive look at the US. And what is the immediate response? Blowme. Nice. So where did defense of Trump come in? When it was the only thing being thrown around. One person, Ron, did make an attempt to stick with the premise, but everyone else just **** all over it.

I made an attempt to stick with the premise (I don't think I have posted anything anti-Trump in this thread).

Edit: Sorry, I have to correct myself. I did say that I disliked Executive Order 13768, but I did so in the mildest manner I could imagine.

 

[One Brow]

China is looking to deal on tariffs!! Great news for America!
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/...ariffs-increase-imports-amid-tensions-with-us

They have been since tariffs have been implemented. However, I don't think I can credit Trump with attempting to lowering tariffs that he unilaterally raised.

 

[One Brow]

there is no reasoning with someone stupid enough to think the pitsburg attack is trumps fault. because that means you are to stupid to comprehend simple things.

Do you understand a difference between "It's your fault" and "You are contributing to it"?

but hitler used exactly that argument. maintaining a functioning society!

So, taxing people to pay for public education is being just like Hitler? What's your point?

 

[str8line]

I am not disputing that, not sure who is. I agree with you. I think Trump is a cancer. But I think there are a lot of threads to talk about Trump and his failure. I haven't taken anything in this thread to be full-on Trump apologetics, other than the responses from the conservatives to the criticisms of the liberals. I thought this thread was supposed to be talking about everything going right in the country. We need some positivity in this climate. Some light in the expanding darkness, if you will.

Until this country comes together in disgust of Trump there is nothing good to talk about. I know that's not really true but the tarnishment of what it means to be an American is so severe it's pretty much as simple as that. It's like Germans talking about what's good about their country while slaughtering jews... again, an over simplification. But the vile views and actions of our President while half the population supports him is by far the greatest travesty in the 224 years of our democratic republic. You want me to talk about how nice the barn wood is while the barn burns? So, yeah, sorry but I'm going to **** all over this thread, especially when the OP's first retort was a propaganda article by a Drumpf advisor.