Andy Larsen is on point

[jom2003]

I have some nitpicks, like him acting like Cam Payne was a known NBA commodity before this season.

GM’s job is judged based upon results not on hindsight. Cam Payne/Torrey Craig worked for the suns and Matt Thomas/Ersan didn't. Simple as that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

GM’s job is judged based upon results not on hindsight. Cam Payne/Torrey Craig worked for the suns and Matt Thomas/Ersan didn't. Simple as that.

Ersan was fine this year when he played and Thomas wasnt added for this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have serious doubts that there were vets who wanted to come to Utah that would crack our rotation. And the odds of using our draft picks to get rotation players for this years team is more than a complete crap shoot. Like it or not, we have to make tradeoffs in how we build a roster, even if are willing to go in the tax. I still think Larsen is naive in the way he talks about building a roster. Very easy and almost amusing at times to arm chair quarterback that issue but very little substance, including much of what is suggested on this board. Flame away.

It is fair to say DL and the front office blew it by signing Favs and Clarkson and should gone a different direction with wing defenders. Acting like we could have signed both of those guys and brought in the type of wing defenders who can shoot the 3 is living in fantasy land, especially in this market.

I mean they could have traded for Craig... he literally was offloaded for $100k... no one had to make any decisions. That’s not fantasy land at all... we gave up more for Matt Thomas.

And the draft is a crap shoot but go back and look at draft night when I lost it cuz we took a center we surely were going to bring in a vet to bury them on the roster... I literally was cornered and asked to pick one dude and chose Bane.

Does having Bane and Craig change our world... maybe, maybe not... but those are two options Quin could use that he doesn’t have. Neither guy needed to pick us...

The narrative of stupid fan/media boy knows nothing is pretty annoying. The front office has a hard job and there are parts of this they totally messed up... calling them on it is perfectly fine.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ersan was fine this year when he played and Thomas wasnt added for this year.

But that is it... we were a title contender this year... and had clear needs... Ersan isn’t good enough to replace Niang or Favs apparently... he must really suck in practice right?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean they could have traded for Craig... he literally was offloaded for $100k... no one had to make any decisions. That’s not fantasy land at all... we gave up more for Matt Thomas.

And the draft is a crap shoot but go back and look at draft night when I lost it cuz we took a center we surely were going to bring in a vet to bury them on the roster... I literally was cornered and asked to pick one dude and chose Bane.

Does having Bane and Craig change our world... maybe, maybe not... but those are two options Quin could use that he doesn’t have. Neither guy needed to pick us...

The narrative of stupid fan/media boy knows nothing is pretty annoying. The front office has a hard job and there are parts of this they totally messed up... calling them on it is perfectly fine.

The flipside though is that Favors looks kind of cooked so maybe Udoka really does pan out as being a great pick, though the flipside of that flipside is that the Favors contract was overboard.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But that is it... we were a title contender this year... and had clear needs... Ersan isn’t good enough to replace Niang or Favs apparently... he must really suck in practice right?

I mean, there's a high chance Craig never plays in front of Niang either.

ANd your boy Shaq Harrison wasnt good enough to play in front of a 2-way rookie contract player...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The flipside though is that Favors looks kind of cooked so maybe Udoka really does pan out as being a great pick, though the flipside of that flipside is that the Favors contract was overboard.

Yup... and look say we got a team option on the final year or say it was a one year deal... then I get it... 3 years full MLE with last year a player option was absolutely overboard... I was okay with it in a vacuum but not if you consider our salary needs and the fact that you just drafted a true center.

I can live with bad results I guess... but when the process is also stupid then that’s not great.

I also don’t love the idea of using a first to draft a guy to develop into your backup center. The skeptical side of me says they make a pick like that and it can’t be judged for three or four years... it just looks like kick the can down the road job preservation. If the kid is really as good as you think find a stop gap between at center so he can have a clear path to playing time at some point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean, there's a high chance Craig never plays in front of Niang either.

ANd your boy Shaq Harrison wasnt good enough to play in front of a 2-way rookie contract player...

Then that is on Quin... it’s tough to look at Niang and Oni and say that Quin wouldn’t have gone to Craig by now.

Shaq didn’t break through... I don’t think Malone would have run Oni out there either.

 

[kabenac]

The thing is Snyder probably wouldn't play Craig just as he isn't playing Thomas and didn't play Harrison.

Ersan proved he can still play when he had that great game; and then they threw him back on the bench (he literally played 4 minutes the next game).

Yet Niang has sucked during the playoffs and gets 10 minutes a game. Go figure.

 

[DasJazz]

You're making a total straw man argument here. The Jazz whiffed on the margins this year, and every time that's been brought up with granular detail you just say "nah, these are professionals".

Well so are the Kings. People at every level **** up and the Jazz did a bad job on the details. That is coming back to bite us right now and it's not as though that was unforeseen.

To be fair, the Kings are not professionals.

 

[SteakNEggs]

The thing is Snyder probably wouldn't play Craig just as he isn't playing Thomas and didn't play Harrison.

Ersan proved he can still play when he had that great game; and then they threw him back on the bench (he literally played 4 minutes the next game).

Yet Niang has sucked during the playoffs and gets 10 minutes a game. Go figure.

Yeah, Quin is becoming as stubborn as Sloan with his lineups. Young guys used to get chances a few years ago now they rarely even get good garbage minutes.

 

[cowhide]

I rather give Hughes a shot instead of running Oni out there again. The reality is the front office after losing to Denver in the bubble said they need to get more athletic and size at the wing positions. Then they turn around and draft a center. Then instead of giving him backup minutes they overpay for Derrick Favors who is obviously no the player he use to be. He is still young but he runs like an old guy. Niang played better in the regular season but his lack of athleticism is so obvious. Now we have about six other guys sitting on the bench and the coach feels that none of them can contribute so why have these guys. Find some players who can.