Another shooting... California Disability Centre

[fishonjazz]

You act as if countries with gun bans always end in tyranny. This is proven false by the world we live in. Japan and England are examples. They have gun bans and still have freedom with the power in the people's hands.

I was thinking the same thing.

Some seem to think that if civilians don't have guns then that means the government automatically changes into something way worse

 

[fishonjazz]

Interesting that you bring up England, the nest for the international banks who want to control the economic market all around the world. You plan to fight these crooks back with sticks and stones?
Precisely it's for getting away from those greedy entities why the Independence War was fought, not because we hated the Brits. We're not immune from tyranny, yes even in the age we live in it could happen.

So do think that if the citizens of England were packing guns then they would all march into the banks and shoot everyone? Do you think that would be a good thing?

 

[fishonjazz]

This has been stated since our last exchange, but curbing ownership curbs both sides of the track. Fewer guns out there, fewer events.

This

 

[Stoked]

Well, hang on. Was Osama Bin Ladin a terrorist, even tho he never actually carried out any acts himself?

Are you really comparing LaPierre to Bin Laden?

 

[Jamezz]

Are you really comparing LaPierre to Bin Laden?

Must be trollin'

 

[Jamezz]

So do think that if the citizens of England were packing guns then they would all march into the banks and shoot everyone? Do you think that would be a good thing?

Nope, wouldn't be a good thing at all. Shooting someone down should always be the very last resort, if you feel that your life's in danger, imo. Lol fish why such aggressive views?

 

[Harambe]

What do you think confiscation means? It's not "if you'd like to give us your guns we'd appreciate that". Confiscation is not a passive verb. It by definition is "to seize by authority". To seize.

How would you do it?

Confiscate; Appropriated by the government. No where in that verb does it state anything about identification, or invasive searches.

 

[fishonjazz]

Nope, wouldn't be a good thing at all. Shooting someone down should always be the very last resort, if you feel that your life's in danger, imo. Lol fish why such aggressive views?

I'm just asking the question of what would be different with the banking power in England if their citizens all had guns?

If they had guns like Americans I don't think it would change anything. Americans have lots of guns and yet the banks/wall street in America have way too much control and power still. Guns don't really help the average citizen control who holds the power

 

[Jamezz]

I'm just asking the question of what would be different with the banking power in England if their citizens all had guns?

If they had guns like Americans I don't think it would change anything. Americans have lots of guns and yet the banks/wall street in America have way too much control and power still. Guns don't really help the average citizen control who holds the power

I agree, they keep putting more and more pressure on the middle class. But I just wanted to make an observation. All these protests we've been seeing in Europe, and in the US for that matter. When people were actually targeting the Congress in Spain, or Wall Street in NY, which side were the guys with the big guns taking? Protests that were meant to be peaceful were turned into battle zones. There's a video that came out when people in Madrid were protesting in front of Congress and a guy wearing a mask that was throwing stuff at the anti-revolt units was pulled out as he was yelling "stop, stop! I'm with you guys!", and pulls out a badge. Then he was just gently removed to a safe spot. If I find the video I'll post it. Some shady business going on there I tell ya.

 

[Stoked]

Confiscate; Appropriated by the government. No where in that verb does it state anything about identification, or invasive searches.

That's just a gun ban. It'll take decades to get anywhere. That's fine for the sake of this argument. But that's not real gun confiscation.

If you don't know who has the guns or where they are how are you going to confiscate them?

Also is there any way to confiscate guns that wont lead to rebellion?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Not always easy to define 'good' or 'bad' person... a 'good' person can just as easily turn into a 'bad' person over a simple workplace or a domestic dispute. Or in the case of this particular shooting, a change in motivation in a certain religious belief.


We're all a mixture of 'good' and 'bad' in my view... with the balance of good/bad changing constantly.

Because of all the attention these events get it is very easy to assume they are far more common than they actually are. Obviously, we all wish they would never happen, but we have to deal with reality. You may believe that the fight to take weapons away from all Americans would be worth it. I think it would be an epic waste of energy and resources. I'll bet it would eventually go the way of prohibition.

 

[Harambe]

That's just a gun ban. It'll take decades to get anywhere. That's fine for the sake of this argument. But that's not real gun confiscation.

If you don't know who has the guns or where they are how are you going to confiscate them?

Also is there any way to confiscate guns that wont lead to rebellion?

Confiscation of unregistered weapons in a legal, responsible approach is something that would take some time. But it's also the only chance you have not to start a rebellion; if not civil war.

The only way I can see to do it, is over time. A big wave with all the weapons we know of up front; a smaller wave of "tax breaks or dollars" for unknown guns. Then just weed them out slowly as they are identified. When they're identified, owners get a trip to prison for, say a year, for each violating firearm they still have(tougher laws).