By this logic they must also be wary of its own citizens. Especially American males. Should we start following them as we do Muslim Americans?
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By this logic they must also be wary of its own citizens. Especially American males. Should we start following them as we do Muslim Americans?
I'm not even slightly scared. And I'd gladly get on a plane with "one of them." Hell, I served in the U.S. Navy with many muslims, a few of which I worked with directly on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.
But you're also afraid of the boogeyman, so it doesn't surprise me that you're scared of muslims.
My best friend is from Kuwait and Muslim. I could call him any time about anything and he would show up at my place. I'd trust him to watch over my family.
I would get on a plane with a Muslim. I am in more danger from my non mulsims and I deal with them willingly in public every day.
Whether the 2nd amendment declares individual or collective right has always been hotly debated.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment
Just get SCOTUS to declare it a collective right and write up rules and regulations for militia.
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If it's the right thing to do, who gives a **** if people go nuts. Same thing happened with slavery, and it was still the right decision to fight it.
Jamezz
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This attitude is what gets **** started. Do you realize how dangerous that kind of talk is?
Jamezz
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You've got it wrong bud, here's what some Founding Fathers gotta say about that, and they aren't suspicious of being "naive", precisely:
The Founding Fathers on the Second Amendment
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …"
Richard Henry Lee
writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.
"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."
"… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
Philadelphia Federal Gazette
June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2
Article on the Bill of Rights
"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"
The Founding Fathers on Arms
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States
"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788
"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot
"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.
"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8
Stop pissing on the Constitution please. It's a good document.
Archie Moses
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I hope people realize the 2nd ammendment is, well, an ammendment.
I'll piss on your mothers grave if I feel like it, tyvm. Our founding fathers lived in a different world, and a different time. And even in that time without random mass shootings for little to no reason, even they pondered whether they had the right to make law for further generation.
Archie Moses
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Classy.
I thought so.
RJF
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Well, he calls himself roach...