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Another somewhat convoluted proposal

fishonjazz said:
Obviously you would have to do it when the next contract is put together and ya they would be losing something (this happens in union negotiations sometimes. You don't always get want you want and sometimes you lose something during negotiations) but they would still have a much better job and live in a much better place than me so again, I wouldn't shed any tears for them.
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Yeah because they are more talented and have more desirable skills than you have. That gives them a stronger union and they have negotiated rights that probably arent going to drastically change unless the NBA goes under.

I wouldn't cry, but I would think it's stupid and unnecessary and ultimately bad for the NBA.
 
fishonjazz said:
It's all based on perspective. From my perspective every one of them get paid obscene amounts of money to play basketball.
I will always wish I were playing nba basketball. Never gonna cry for them.
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Right. It's all perspective.

Just like people in Mexico won't be sorry if during your next union negotiations you lose overtime pay, your lunch break and you get moved to a 60 hr week.

It's the principle of the idea.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It was a stupid question that has no relation to the NBA. The military is setup that way and your relative knew what they were getting into.

The NBA has a CBA in place that has players rights.
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The hypothetical being discussed involved changing the CBA. One of the opposing viewpoints was that it wouldnt work because that would be taking away rights.

So if i understand you correctly, you feel that if one knows what they are getting into when they sign up for it, it's all good- again provided it is part of the CBA.
 
JustTheTip said:
Right. It's all perspective.

Just like people in Mexico won't be sorry if during your next union negotiations you lose overtime pay, your lunch break and you get moved to a 60 hr week.

It's the principle of the idea.
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Exactly.
I wouldn't expect them to feel sorry for me.

Strange that you would expect me to feel sorry for people that I'm extremely envious of.

Envy and pity don't really work together very well.


Btw, if that happened in my next union contract then I would quit and get a different job. NBA players would have that option too in this scenario but I highly doubt any would actually find a new job cause they would realize that they are still extremely lucky and have it really good.
 
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I'm with Fish on this one. We're going to feel bad for dudes who get paid millions to play basketball?

They don't get to choose where they get drafted. Do we care about that?


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fishonjazz said:
Exactly.
I wouldn't expect them to feel sorry for me.

Strange that you would expect me to feel sorry for people that I'm extremely envious of.

Envy and pity don't really work together very well.


Btw, if that happened in my next union contract then I would quit and get a different job. NBA players would have that option too in this scenario but I highly doubt any would actually find a new job cause they would realize that they are still extremely lucky and have it really good.
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Fish. Attitudes like yours are what leads to the divide in people. You're basically saying you don't care what happens to other people as long as it doesn't effect you. I mean, using your logic, those NBA players shouldn't care if your union rights get taken away. Everybody's just looking out for themselves.

It's the principal of the ideal. Our rights matter, whether we're rich, poor, middle class, white, black, anything...we have to fight for everybody's rights.
 
Siro said:
I don't really see it that way. For example, if I was offered a job on the stipulation that I spend months at a time working at whichever city I'm needed in, then I'd either accept it or I don't. I wouldn't consider that company's business model a violation of my basic human rights.

The difference in the NBA is that it is a partnership between two organizations. Not simply one of an employer and an employee. And one kind of model might benefit one party at the expense of the other. Regardless of what is good for the sport, we have competing interests at hand.

But I don't oppose it on an ideal.
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Yeah, I went too far with the slavery comparison. You're right.

I get what you're saying, but there's also a players union that protects those players rights. Yes, they make a lot of money and are in a completely unique situation business wise, but we should still care about their rights. Don't you think that as customers we're somewhat responsible for that? Maybe I'm just crazy. I just think it's sad that people only care about their situation. We'd all be better off if we considered other people, no matter their status. Or we can just keep on villifying rich people because they're rich and we're not.
 
White Chocolate said:
I'm with Fish on this one. We're going to feel bad for dudes who get paid millions to play basketball?

They don't get to choose where they get drafted. Do we care about that?


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Again, your chief concern for not caring is that they make a lot of money. I think that's wrong.

As for the draft, the players and team have to reach a compromise for what's fair for both of them. That's why we have the draft. Taking away free agency only benefits one group, and that's the owners. Does that make sense to you?
 
JustTheTip said:
Again, your chief concern for not caring is that they make a lot of money. I think that's wrong.

As for the draft, the players and team have to reach a compromise for what's fair for both of them. That's why we have the draft. Taking away free agency only benefits one group, and that's the owners. Does that make sense to you?
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It doesn't benefit the fans or team?


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